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1 oil and energy crisis on Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:22 pm

gypsy


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not to start A argument or anything.. but do u think we really have an Oil crisis?

I don't...

I think it is foreign countries taking advantage of the war crisis,. the refineries, causing a lot of our gas prices to go up, for some reason the gov't wants us to think there is a shortage.. my opinion only.

I have been reading a lot on enron, and the scandel going on there, it is very crucial for this to be acted on.. which has nothing to do with oil just another topic i included here.

my opinion only..
???



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2 Re: oil and energy crisis on Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:56 pm

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gypsy wrote:not to start A argument or anything.. but do u think we really have an Oil crisis?

I don't...

I think it is foreign countries taking advantage of the war crisis,. the refineries, causing a lot of our gas prices to go up, for some reason the gov't wants us to think there is a shortage.. my opinion only.

I have been reading a lot on enron, and the scandel going on there, it is very crucial for this to be acted on.. which has nothing to do with oil just another topic i included here.

my opinion only..
???
It s all a matter of supply and demand as far as I have understood.
China and India need more and more oil and the production is not enough to satisfy everyone.
I heard in the news here, that in maybe 5 years they expect us to have "carless" sundays again, like in 1973.
Oh well, I hardly ever use the car on sundays

3 Re: oil and energy crisis on Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:48 pm

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Carless Sundays? That would never work here. We're busy 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. We did have "odd and even" purchase days based on license (tag) numbers. Company owned trucks and taxis are run 24/7 except for scheduled maintenance.

4 Re: oil and energy crisis on Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:50 pm

rosco 357


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i wish i had listened closely,, but i was busy, on cnn or fox today, a lady was on about oil prices, there is alot here, first like mays says its mainly a suppy problem, with china using more and india,, but she said really it is many things alll coming together that is causing it.. speclators in the commodity markets, she said more reasons but i missed it, like cnn or fox does it repeats some of it programs, maybe i can catch it all, i have heard during congessional hearings, gas refineries do not make any more profite now than before, but i just heard it on a tv show, and hold no real opinion, i do know we do need more refineries, as i think there has not been a new one built in many years and u know when one went down, gas goes up, a guy at work said we are building one in the dakotas, i think , i dont know but this guy at work know alot about things,i know i heard how many billions of gallons of less gas we have used like this year that the last , ppl are cutting down and buying good gas millage cars now, i heard suvs may go the way of the edsiel,, oh one thing the lady said on tv is oil went up with isreal practicing runs into iran to bomb the nuclear things they are building , i dont know if they have the deep penatrating bombs the quality we have, but like i have said iran has nothing deep enough that 2 of ours new ones put in the same place one on top the ohter it would reach anything iran has, but its isreal that will certainly if feel a threat not hesitate to take action , as i think we would hesitate, but that was one other reason oil went up in the last few days, i dont see the war in iraq causing much of a oil problem,, as for me, oil just under 4 bucks, like 3,85, and i get 31 miles a gallon in the car i bought, well i use to drive my truck to work more adn it gets 15 to 16 miles a gallon so if gas was 2 dollars a gallon i would still be paying the same thing per week , i do believe if u look u willl see alot more smaller cars on the freeways these day on comutes to work, and with ppl getting serious on alernative fuel, now, i have heard if the oil ppl see a dive in oil use later it will lower oil some now, even to drill off our coast if years away would still cause oil to drop , but we dont contol oil use like we use to , like i said, china and india may not be taking the steps we are , i think china use of cars are increasing, i heard on tv, im sure it will be a slow process, .. and to MAYs, they had a thing here on our news about american not wanting to drill off the atlantic shelf and anway an the florida gulf side, , well the argument was its safe, nothing not a drop was spilled in katrina on the gulf oil rigs,and oil rigs draw fish. but again to mays, the news said countrys even greener, or more ecological drill off their coast for oil and use some countrys for example and HOLAND was one of the example of being a green minded county that drills off its coast, would like to hear what u know on that, adn how close are u energy independent because of it, i realize most ppl in ur country dont drive as far to work and such, i played one man years ago in holland , he said on most all nice days, he rode a bicycle to work. nancy pelosie just was on cnn and said with bush sighnig the end to buying oilfor the stratigic reserve will start in july i think was said, will help some...also motor cycles are becoming for popular for the average guy to drive to work, 3 ppl where i work just bought them and ride any day, that there is no rain in the forcast. one that has the smaller one a suzuki blvd. i think a 650 said his book says 50 mile per gallon,

5 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:00 am

rosco 357


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i also heard on the news cuba and china are teaming up to drill in the straight of florida, and may slant drill, but also heard on the news, that may not be so, but if its out there, they may have talked, i guess any country as far as i know as long as in iternationl waters, could drill, but not sure,,maybe someone knows about drilling off acountry in iternational waters , im to tired to google it lol



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6 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:26 am

rosco 357


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gypsy wrote:not to start A argument or anything.. but do u think we really have an Oil crisis?

I don't...

I think it is foreign countries taking advantage of the war crisis,. the refineries, causing a lot of our gas prices to go up, for some reason the gov't wants us to think there is a shortage.. my opinion only.

I have been reading a lot on enron, and the scandel going on there, it is very crucial for this to be acted on.. which has nothing to do with oil just another topic i included here.

my opinion only..
???

so u think all oil experts and economist in the world, that u know more about it than them, this is not playing , this is causing great hardships which may take some emerging countrys to the brink,,so u think government want us to believe there is a shortage as it is totally hurting every person and business in the country in the world that do not make a lick of sence, weird opinions, u take there,,,baffling
im sorry i dont understand any of that except u always tie the war to something, no oil crisis? that baffles me to no end,,how are foreighn countrys taking advantage as other countrys have high prices also, every country is pumping to the max except for saudi arabia, and i believe i heard they will increase a couple hundred million barrels a day more soon, which will be close to the max, but i wish i knew the number i heard,but thiknk i heard, that in 5 years, we will be useing not the US but the world , china , india, included in a big way , will be useing 20 or 30 more million barrels of oil a day,, but this is memory from tv, i heard on tv the united states is geting all its extra oil from canada and mexico, i heard that true or not, they did have a big special on canada geting oil from the oil sands now, that it si economically favorable, the teamsters told my nephew who is in a pipe welding union, that canada cant get enough worker or welder to work, i posted on this in another post if u go weld in canada u weld only in the summer but in the winter u dont but u get paid all year long like u are welding, many ppl can go stay a few years and save money as there is big bucks in it , then come home,we have 3 times the oil as saudi arabia, as was stated on a tv show in the oil shale rock in the rockys, adn technology now can get it out as it has improved alot, but congress still resist, it will take years if it get to bad, public demand will demand it this will change, also coal which is in big abundance will play a bigger part , france i think i think france is almost totally nuclear energy for electricity we should have more but again government resist,

7 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:29 am

rosco 357


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congress resist because mainly of the democrates that are so ecological will not vote for it, its that simple, but obama and even mccain are not for drilling in anwar, but mcain is for drilling off the atlantic shelf, the amount of oil used in iraq, is mearly a drop compaired to all the oil used in the world in a day, not even a noticeable amount, my gosh i wish obama was president now, u have ran the war so deep in the ground , but know this obama cant just pull out,,,, a made up oil shortage, my gosh what a statement, they dont drive much in iraq, they mainly use hummers, or walk patrols ..iraq is to pay for the ocupation with there oil but so far it has not paid its way, today i heard on the radio news it has been one of the quietest times in iraq, this week or several days,,if it keep getting better as iraq strenthens its new voted in government, i think obama will stay till they are stong enough ,but no use specutlating, it will come soon, in half a year, so we will see, and not have to have opinions..WeLL i see u deleted ur post i am posting to probably a good move,

8 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:53 am

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rosco 357 wrote:congress resist because mainly of the democrates that are so ecological will not vote for it, its that simple, but obama and even mccain are not for drilling in anwar, but mcain is for drilling off the atlantic shelf, the amount of oil used in iraq, is mearly a drop compaired to all the oil used in the world in a day, not even a noticeable amount, my gosh i wish obama was president now, u have ran the war so deep in the ground , but know this obama cant just pull out,,,, a made up oil shortage, my gosh what a statement, they dont drive much in iraq, they mainly use hummers, or walk patrols ..iraq is to pay for the ocupation with there oil but so far it has not paid its way, today i heard on the radio news it has been one of the quietest times in iraq, this week or several days,,if it keep getting better as iraq strenthens its new voted in government, i think obama will stay till they are stong enough ,but no use specutlating, it will come soon, in half a year, so we will see, and not have to have opinions
I have two bits of good news. (a)If anything bad happens to anyone, anytime, anywhere, George Bush caused it and all will be fine once he is out of office. (b) AOL has been running a straw poll today. No trick questions; just a picture of McCain and a picture of Obama and a block to click under each picture. As of 4 pm today, after 194,000 votes (a VERY large sample), the results were 61% McCain, 39% Obama. Maybe, just maybe, the American people have regained their senses. Of course, these people were just expressing their OPINIONS about how they intend to vote and one could have an OPINION that they were simply lying for some unfathomable reason.

9 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:59 am

rosco 357


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yep marc, but u did hear bob barr one of the most conservatives ir going to run as an libitarian i think he is running under, not good news, he is for my part far to much to teh right, so much he does not mind hurting macain

10 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:18 am

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rosco 357 wrote:yep marc, but u did hear bob barr one of the most conservatives ir going to run as an libitarian i think he is running under, not good news, he is for my part far to much to teh right, so much he does not mind hurting macain
My feelings exactly. Barr is a radical libertarian who will see Obama in office rather than compromise on anything. I think he has little support and can only hope he doesn't become a spoiler for McCain as Nader was for Gore. EDIT: Oh, I forgot. Bush STOLD the election and Naders hundreds of thousands of diverted votes were actually cast (miraculously) by Carl Rove and Dick Cheney. At night. In the rain. Using flashlights.

11 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:28 am

gypsy


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Interesting reading


Bush to Arab nations: You're running out of oil - The Scotsman
May 19, 2008 ... BOTH George H Bush and George W Bush will be remembered almost as much for their connections to oil as to the presidency. ...
thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/You39re-running-out-of-oil.4095858.jp - 240k

12 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:34 am

gypsy


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I found this extremely interesting, it is in the above url i posted


Bush jnr's drive to war in Iraq as merely a quest for oil, with potentially billions of dollars in profit to be made from opening up the country's oil reserves if Iraq was ever stable.

George Bush Snr, who was president from 1989 to 1993, became a millionaire off the oil industry by the age of 40 in Texas. He started the Bush-Overby Oil Development company in 1951 and co-founded the Zapata Petroleum Corporation two years later. He served as the firm's president from 1954 to 1964. He then entered politics.

After gaining an MBA from Harvard University, Bush Jnr worked in the family oil businesses.

He became a senior partner and chief executive officer of Arbusto Energy, Spectrum 7 and Harken Energy.

Arbusto Energy obtained financing early on from James Bath, a close Bush family friend and in 1979 the sole US business representative of Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi family and brother of Osama bin Laden.

13 "The Scotsman", expert source for US history: on Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:38 am

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DirectoryNewspapersThe ScotsmanEdinburgh Evening NewsScotland on SundayCombined content (our newspapers & scotsman.com)NewsSportBusinessLivingHeritage & CultureClassifiedsScottish Jobs TodayScottish Property TodayScottish Motors TodayFamily AnnouncementsLocal Pages - business directoryDating

14 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:47 am

gypsy


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another interesting page


Raymond J. Learsy: George W. Bush as Marie Antoinette: "Let Them ...
This under the bizarre argumentation that it, the oil industry, ... George Bush really is like Marie Antoinette-so far detached from reality with no regards ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/george-w-bush-as-marie-an_1_b_77566.html - 101k

15 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:00 am

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The Huffington Post:"Raymond J. Learsy is the author of the updated version 'Over a Barrel: Breaking Oil's Grip On Our Future'


Comments for this post are now closed" /// (Apparantly not interesting enough to allow any discussion)

16 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:25 am

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Rosco, I don t really know much about our oil drilling in the North Sea.
In one area it is forbidden to drill, because of environmental reasons and that is in the Wadden Sea between the islands in the north of the Netherlands and the mainland.
As far as I know, most of our oil comes from Russia and Iran right now.

17 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:59 am

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I believe it has been Norway that has been doing the extensive drilling without any accidents,

18 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:29 am

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I looked for how the North Sea has been divided by the surrounding countries and found the article below on Wiki:
Btw, giving up fishingrights in favour of Danish fishermen, together with the disappearance of the "inner borders" in the EU eventually cost me my job at the end of 1992.



Political status of the North Sea:

The Exclusive Economic Zones in the North SeaThe countries bordering the North Sea all claim the twelve nautical miles of territorial waters within which they have exclusive fishing rights. Iceland, however, as a result of the Cod Wars has exclusive fishing rights for 200 mi (320 km) from its coast, into parts of the North Sea. The Common Fisheries Policy of the EU exists to coordinate fishing rights and assist with disputes between EU states and the EU border state of Norway.

After the discovery of mineral resources in the North Sea, Norway claimed its rights under the Continental Shelf Convention. The other countries on the sea followed suit. These rights are largely divided along the median line. The median line is defined as the line "every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points of the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea of each State is measured." The ocean floor border between Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark was only reapportioned after protracted negotiations and a judgment of the International Court of Justice.

Environmental concerns led to the MARPOL 73/78 Accords, which created 25 mi (40 km) and 50 mi (40 and 80 km) zones of protection. The Convention for the Protection of the Marine Environment of the North-East Atlantic is established for the preservation of the ocean in the region. Germany, Denmark, and the Netherlands have a trilateral agreement for the protection of the Wadden Sea, or mudflats, which run along the coasts of the three countries on the southern edge of the North Sea.
See map on:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/North_sea_eez.PNG

19 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:55 am

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Mays, can you translate all that for us?

20 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:14 am

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meemoon wrote:Mays, can you translate all that for us?
I intended to post a link to a map, but from your post I get the impression I posted text and obviously it s not English :-(
If it s the text from Wikipedia: on the left you can choose the language of your choice - I noticed you can even choose Anglo Saxon, so I will try that tonight, for I find it interesting to see the development from that to English.

21 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:46 am

runawayhorses


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That address is the upload server for the Wikimedia Foundation. There is no public index.



Hmmmm. now its working

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/North_sea_eez.PNG

I think what happen Mays is you ran the URL into your sentence and it needs to be at least a space between the last letter of the word and the beginning of the actual address/URL for it to recognize it's a URL link. but it did strangely enough when I copied it into my address bar did not load up, and it gave the "Upload server" message.

But putting a space between the word and the URL will make it click-able.

22 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:13 am

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Thanks, Tyler
I meant to post the link to that particular map indeed

23 Re: oil and energy crisis on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:07 pm

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We got off track. I wanted to say that when oil becomes so depleted, it will be too expensive to buy for any purchase, we should have a full complement of nuclear power plants. We can't divert arable land to bio-products dedicated for fuel production while people starve. We can't, and won't take control of mid-east oil by military force. Explore and drill like a bastard but build those damn nuke plants, or we will see a global depression if THIS economy fails.

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