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rosco 357


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my words, this article has a map of the places obama is opening up for new oil drilling, so go to the url to view the places he opened up, looks like the tampa side of florida, the drilling is more out in the gulf, the jacksonville side of florida looks like drilling close to the coast is a possibility, but u can see it all in the url map, i think the article states drilling in the gulf would be 125 miles from the shore,, but read and look at the map,

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/31/91421/environmentalists-scoff-gop-shrugs.html

* Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010

Who'd Obama please with his offshore oil drilling plan?
Easing offshore drilling ban

By Margaret Talev and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON President Barack Obama's announcement Wednesday that he'll lift bans on new drilling for oil and natural gas off much of the U.S. coastline drew criticism from environmentalists and halfhearted welcomes from Republicans, even as Obama called it only one part of a broad strategy to reduce foreign oil dependence and enact climate-change policy.

His administration will allow further study and new drilling to proceed from Delaware to Florida, starting with leases off the Virginia coast, as well as off the oil-rich eastern Gulf of Mexico. Some sensitive areas would be protected, including Alaska's fish-rich Bristol Bay, a decision that conservationists applauded, while other waters off north Alaska can be considered. No expanded drilling is being considered off the West Coast below Canada.

"This is not a decision that I've made lightly," Obama said at Maryland's Andrews Air Force Base, near the capital. He was staged beside the "Green Hornet," a Navy fighter jet designed to run on a fuel mix of half biomass. He also discussed administration policies to make automobiles more fuel efficient and to develop "clean coal" and alternative energy supplies.

Obama said his plan "is part of a broader strategy that will move us from an economy that runs on fossil fuels and foreign oil to one that relies more on homegrown fuels and clean energy. And the only way this transition will succeed is if it strengthens our economy in the short term and long term. To fail to recognize this reality would be a mistake."

The policy's framework fits Obama's governing style: To accomplish a liberal goal, in this case climate change legislation, take a centrist stance that may appeal to enough Republicans to win some bipartisan support, or at least justify action without bipartisan support.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., part of a bipartisan team working on compromise climate-change legislation in Congress, said of Obama's remarks, "I intend to answer the call by working with my Republican and Democratic Senate colleagues to put our nation on a pathway to energy independence and a cleaner environment."

Conservationists warned of risks to beaches, seafood, polar bears, whales and other wildlife.

Frank Tursi of the North Carolina Coastal Federation called Obama's calculation to get a climate change bill that reduces greenhouse gases by supporting more development of domestic fossil fuel "a delicious irony. He's now allowing increased production of the very substance responsible for the emissions."

"I would say that this comprehensive approach is a lot less 'drill, baby, drill' and more 'drill where it's responsible, promote efficiency, invest in clean energy and create jobs of the future,' " White House Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said. "I know that doesn't fit on a T-shirt quite as well, but that's a lot more about what President Obama thinks is the right direction for this country."

Today, the U.S imports 53 percent of the oil it uses, most from sources other than the Mideast. Most natural gas used in the U.S. comes from North America.

Some Democrats in Congress disputed the notion that offshore fuel expansion could make a real dent in dependence on foreign oil. Sen. Ted Kaufman, D-Del., said, "It is a simple fact that the United States has only a tiny percentage of world oil reserves 3 percent while we consume 25 percent."

However, Pulitzer Prize-winning oil historian Daniel Yergin, the chairman of IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates, said reality was more complicated.

Experts don't really know how much oil and gas is available off the Atlantic coast, he said, because the last estimates are decades old, when technology was less advanced.

Hurricane Katrina, meanwhile, showed in 2005 how resilient modern offshore infrastructure is, Yergin said. Environmentally conscious countries such as Norway drill offshore without calamity. He said U.S. fears about offshore production stemmed from the Santa Barbara, Calif., oil spill more than four decades ago. A lot has changed since then in terms of technology and capabilities.

"Look how much oil we produce from the Gulf of Mexico today. Look how much natural gas. Our economy depends on it. When was the last spill in the Gulf of Mexico?" Yergin said.

For U.S. oil and gas producers, the most attractive part of Obama's announcement concerned the eastern Gulf of Mexico, some 125 miles off Florida's western coastline, because of its proximity to existing infrastructure, said David Dismukes, the associate director of the Center for Energy Studies at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge.

Industry estimates suggest there's at least 25 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in the eastern gulf, a little more than the 22 trillion cubic feet the U.S. consumes annually. There's also an estimated 4 billion barrels of recoverable oil, a bit less than a tenth of the 50 billion barrels thought to be available in the entire gulf, Dismukes said.

He said there were estimates of about 4 billion barrels of oil and 37 trillion cubic feet of natural gas off the Atlantic coast.

Last year, the U.S. consumed 18.69 million barrels per day of petroleum products refined from crude oil.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., called Obama's announcement "a step in the right direction" but said he'd wait to see whether the administration completed promised studies, approved permits, opened areas for production and stopped court delays. Many other Republicans and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce said Obama's decision didn't go far enough.

Obama had called for expanded offshore drilling during his presidential campaign, but he correctly anticipated that some environmental activists would strongly disagree with him.

"Is this President Obama's clean energy plan or Palin's 'drill, baby, drill' campaign?" Greenpeace Executive Director Phil Radford said in a statement, referring to former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's infamous chant as Arizona Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain's presidential running mate in 2008.

Defenders of Wildlife President Rodger Schlickeisen voiced concerns that even seismic testing could hurt fisheries and wildlife areas including the Chesapeake Bay and North Carolina's Outer Banks, and that whales and polar bears could be harmed.

Oil markets shrugged off the promise of future supply, settling up $1.39 to $83.76 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

"Where are the Republicans out there talking about how crude is going to go down" when drilling is allowed, "because oil certainly isn't reacting to it today," said Michael Masters, a hedge fund manager who's testified repeatedly before Congress that big inflows of investment dollars are driving up oil prices, not supply shortages. "It's not a supply and demand issue. ... Crude is detached from the fundamentals."

rosco 357


Veteran
ok this is the one that shows the map. of what obama approved of, i did not read the article again yet its late, and i want to finish the a movie, i dont know if its a done deal or not, but u can see the map on the url, take care,if the article does not come up on the url click, hit the refresh , i had to,then the article with map opened, it first was just blank page, but refresh made it open,

rosco 357


Veteran
rosco 357 wrote:my words, this article has a map of the places obama is opening up for new oil drilling, so go to the url to view the places he opened up, looks like the tampa side of florida, the drilling is more out in the gulf, the jacksonville side of florida looks like drilling close to the coast is a possibility, but u can see it all in the url map, i think the article states drilling in the gulf would be 125 miles from the shore,, but read and look at the map,

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/31/91421/environmentalists-scoff-gop-shrugs.html

* Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010

Who'd Obama please with his offshore oil drilling plan?
Easing offshore drilling ban

By Margaret Talev and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON President Barack Obama's announcement Wednesday that he'll lift bans on new drilling for oil and natural gas off much of the U.S. coastline drew criticism from environmentalists and halfhearted welcomes from Republicans, even as Obama called it only one part of a broad strategy to reduce foreign oil dependence and enact climate-change policy.

His administration will allow further study and new drilling to proceed from Delaware to Florida, starting with leases off the Virginia coast, as well as off the oil-rich eastern Gulf of Mexico. Some sensitive areas would be protected, including Alaska's fish-rich Bristol Bay, a decision that conservationists applauded, while other waters off north Alaska can be considered. No expanded drilling is being considered off the West Coast below Canada.

"This is not a decision that I've made lightly," Obama said at Maryland's Andrews Air Force Base, near the capital. He was staged beside the "Green Hornet," a Navy fighter jet designed to run on a fuel mix of half biomass. He also discussed administration policies to make automobiles more fuel efficient and to develop "clean coal" and alternative energy supplies.

Obama said his plan "is part of a broader strategy that will move us from an economy that runs on fossil fuels and foreign oil to one that relies more on homegrown fuels and clean energy. And the only way this transition will succeed is if it strengthens our economy in the short term and long term. To fail to recognize this reality would be a mistake."

The policy's framework fits Obama's governing style: To accomplish a liberal goal, in this case climate change legislation, take a centrist stance that may appeal to enough Republicans to win some bipartisan support, or at least justify action without bipartisan support.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., part of a bipartisan team working on compromise climate-change legislation in Congress, said of Obama's remarks, "I intend to answer the call by working with my Republican and Democratic Senate colleagues to put our nation on a pathway to energy independence and a cleaner environment."

Conservationists warned of risks to beaches, seafood, polar bears, whales and other wildlife.

Frank Tursi of the North Carolina Coastal Federation called Obama's calculation to get a climate change bill that reduces greenhouse gases by supporting more development of domestic fossil fuel "a delicious irony. He's now allowing increased production of the very substance responsible for the emissions."

"I would say that this comprehensive approach is a lot less 'drill, baby, drill' and more 'drill where it's responsible, promote efficiency, invest in clean energy and create jobs of the future,' " White House Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said. "I know that doesn't fit on a T-shirt quite as well, but that's a lot more about what President Obama thinks is the right direction for this country."

Today, the U.S imports 53 percent of the oil it uses, most from sources other than the Mideast. Most natural gas used in the U.S. comes from North America.

Some Democrats in Congress disputed the notion that offshore fuel expansion could make a real dent in dependence on foreign oil. Sen. Ted Kaufman, D-Del., said, "It is a simple fact that the United States has only a tiny percentage of world oil reserves 3 percent while we consume 25 percent."

However, Pulitzer Prize-winning oil historian Daniel Yergin, the chairman of IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates, said reality was more complicated.

Experts don't really know how much oil and gas is available off the Atlantic coast, he said, because the last estimates are decades old, when technology was less advanced.

Hurricane Katrina, meanwhile, showed in 2005 how resilient modern offshore infrastructure is, Yergin said. Environmentally conscious countries such as Norway drill offshore without calamity. He said U.S. fears about offshore production stemmed from the Santa Barbara, Calif., oil spill more than four decades ago. A lot has changed since then in terms of technology and capabilities.

"Look how much oil we produce from the Gulf of Mexico today. Look how much natural gas. Our economy depends on it. When was the last spill in the Gulf of Mexico?" Yergin said.

For U.S. oil and gas producers, the most attractive part of Obama's announcement concerned the eastern Gulf of Mexico, some 125 miles off Florida's western coastline, because of its proximity to existing infrastructure, said David Dismukes, the associate director of the Center for Energy Studies at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge.

Industry estimates suggest there's at least 25 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in the eastern gulf, a little more than the 22 trillion cubic feet the U.S. consumes annually. There's also an estimated 4 billion barrels of recoverable oil, a bit less than a tenth of the 50 billion barrels thought to be available in the entire gulf, Dismukes said.

He said there were estimates of about 4 billion barrels of oil and 37 trillion cubic feet of natural gas off the Atlantic coast.

Last year, the U.S. consumed 18.69 million barrels per day of petroleum products refined from crude oil.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., called Obama's announcement "a step in the right direction" but said he'd wait to see whether the administration completed promised studies, approved permits, opened areas for production and stopped court delays. Many other Republicans and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce said Obama's decision didn't go far enough.

Obama had called for expanded offshore drilling during his presidential campaign, but he correctly anticipated that some environmental activists would strongly disagree with him.

"Is this President Obama's clean energy plan or Palin's 'drill, baby, drill' campaign?" Greenpeace Executive Director Phil Radford said in a statement, referring to former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's infamous chant as Arizona Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain's presidential running mate in 2008.

Defenders of Wildlife President Rodger Schlickeisen voiced concerns that even seismic testing could hurt fisheries and wildlife areas including the Chesapeake Bay and North Carolina's Outer Banks, and that whales and polar bears could be harmed.

Oil markets shrugged off the promise of future supply, settling up $1.39 to $83.76 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

"Where are the Republicans out there talking about how crude is going to go down" when drilling is allowed, "because oil certainly isn't reacting to it today," said Michael Masters, a hedge fund manager who's testified repeatedly before Congress that big inflows of investment dollars are driving up oil prices, not supply shortages. "It's not a supply and demand issue. ... Crude is detached from the fundamentals."


ok this is the map where obama was going to expand the drilling, well before the oil well explosion , just so we now know the area involved, obama has put a ban on new drilling with courts fighting him but here is the article, the url has the whole map of what was going to be the new areas opened, but i doubt that now, ,, this took a while to find,,,

SSC


Admin
I wonder if this has changed the article was from March prior to the Deep Water spill ?

rosco 357


Veteran
SSC wrote:I wonder if this has changed the article was from March prior to the Deep Water spill ?

i dont know, it was way before the explosion, it was in the news place i go to, and u see the date, as u know obama halted any new drilling but the courts over turned him, but i think there is an appeal coming, but i dont know if obamas ban covers the old drilling area or what he had opened up mainly along the east coast, i dont have a clue, the east coast let it get close, maybe thats why crist did the 10 mile thing, i simply dont know,,

gypsy


Moderator
I posted over a year ago,I hate the drilling off our shores, and look what happened,the unthinkable, I also remember a statement being made,by republicans and a few here, that it doesn't harm the areas or beaches or animals,and agreed with drill baby drill. now they are whistling a different tune, the republicans don 't have a firm stand on anything. first they wanted to drill everywhere, now they don't agree with Obama's plan for drilling~ a very confused group. they are..I hope it is very restricted on the drilling off shore..

rosco 357


Veteran
obama has banned new drilling since the explosion, the courts that are fighting him, i dont think a politician would be stupid enough to say drill new wells off the coast now. no one could see this happening with the good record the wells had, but they have now, we all live and learn, there is alot to this story, i have heard many things from workers showing rubber from gaskets in the oil coming up, it all willl be got to the bottom of, this is to big to sweep under the rug, i believe, the attention now should be the ppl on the gulf making a living, trying to save as much of the coast as can be possible, no need to say i told u so,its not the time for that,,its like saying i told u to not live in Kansas Dorthy, and todo...

SSC


Admin
Thank you Rosco for an intelligent post on this subject, drilling will resume and in a large part of the gulf on the western end has never stopped, we need this oil from there. I am sure since Obama fired his Mineral resources director who was suppost to be in charge of safety enforcement and with all the fine tooth scrutiny now more plans will be in place. We need to be independent from foreign oil until many many years down the road a plan can be put into place. If this means drilling so be it. This was the 1st. accident of its kind in the gulf in over 40 years.

runawayhorses


Owner
I stand by my position that no more drilling should be allowed in the US waters. Only on land. They aren't good enough to drill in the oceans. They always mess up and something goes wrong. If I were president, I would stop all oil drilling in the oceans of the US that we control. No more. Done.

Lets put the oil people out of business, we don't need them anymore. But I've posted this before. I don't fell like repeating the whole post and point I made,

Just stop the drilling, period, you idiots.

gypsy


Moderator
Amen Tyler!! sometimes the hard heads have to be told, I told you so~ now they see! or do they? I agree and stand by no more off shore drilling///

SSC


Admin
It will never happen Tyler. I would rather use gulf oil than Saudi oil any day

runawayhorses


Owner
SSC wrote:It will never happen Tyler. I would rather use gulf oil than Saudi oil any day
My point is, I would rather not use oil at all!! It's possible if we can break the oil companies and use the knowledge we alreay have using alternative power. But the oil people have too much power right now for that to happen. Someday we will beat them. We seriously don't really need oil anymore if onlt we could implement our already existing knowledge of alternative power. We can power almost anything using water. But the oil companies won't let that happen, it will put them out of business. They control us now, but someday that will all end.

runawayhorses


Owner

SSC


Admin
Used as a heating source in much of the east, cars, trains, mass transit, plastic products and the list goes on and on, oil and petroleum products play an irreplaceable part of our daily life. Not in our lifetime nor our children's life time will the need for oil and its by-products be diminished.
Only strict enforcement in drilling regulations and proper inspections to prevent any future catastrophes will be acceptable.

runawayhorses


Owner
Oh well

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