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1 GOP"S victory tuesday won't erase problems on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:48 pm

gypsy


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WASHINGTON For Republicans, an election win of any size Tuesday would be a blessing. But victories in Virginia, New Jersey or elsewhere won't erase enormous obstacles the party faces heading into a 2010 midterm election year when control of Congress and statehouses from coast to coast will be up for grabs.

It's been a tough few years for the GOP. The party lost control of Congress in 2006 and then lost the White House in 2008 with three traditional Republican states Indiana, North Carolina and Virginia abandoning the party.

So even if political winds start blowing harder behind them and even if they can capitalize on Democratic missteps, Republicans still will have a long way to go over the next year because of their party's own fundamental problems divisions over the path forward, the lack of a national leader and a shrinking base in a changing nation.

The GOP would overcome none of those hurdles should Republican Bob McDonnell win the Virginia governor's race, Chris Christie emerge victorious in the New Jersey governor's contest, or conservative Doug Hoffman triumph in a hotly contested special congressional election in upstate New York.

In fact, 2009 seems to have underscored what may be the biggest impediment for Republicans the war within their base.

Not that the GOP would casually brush off even a small stack of victories on Tuesday.

One or more wins would give the Republicans a jolt, and a reason to rally in the coming months. Victories certainly would help with grass-roots fundraising and candidate recruiting. And they might just be enough to reinvigorate a party that controlled the White House and Congress through much of this decade, only to lose power in back-to-back national elections.

Viewed from the other side, a GOP sweep would be a setback for Democrats. It could be seen as a negative measure of President Barack Obama's standing and could signal trouble ahead as he seeks to get moderate Democratic lawmakers behind his legislative agenda and protect Democratic majorities in Congress next fall.

Still, with Democrats in control, the onus is on the GOP to get its act together. George W. Bush, the president many Republicans came to see as an election-day albatross, is gone, but the party troubles born under him linger.

Republican leaders in Washington certainly are mindful of the challenges.

"It's going to be a difficult road to walk, to work with relatively new entrants into the political system and to work with them to show them that, by and large, we are the party who represents their interests," House Republican leader John Boehner told CNN on Sunday, arguing that there's "a political rebellion" taking place in the country.

Others are more blunt.

"Right now there's no central Republican leader to turn to, and there's no central Republican message," conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh told Fox News on Sunday. "The Republican message is sort of muddied. What do they stand for? Right now it's opposition to Obama."

A debate is waging over whether that's enough or whether the party has to be for something, anything really, to be able to claw its way back to the top. Similar hand-wringing happened in the GOP ahead of the 1994 midterms. Just weeks before those elections, Republicans came up with the Contract with America and ended up taking control of Congress.

Heading into the 2010 elections, the GOP also faces a very real split between conservatives who want to focus on social issues which tend to work best during peaceful, prosperous times and the rest of the party, which generally wants a broader vision, particularly given recession.

Proof of a divide is in the special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District. Potential 2012 presidential hopefuls trying to solidify their conservative credentials, Sarah Palin and Tim Pawlenty, endorsed Hoffman, a conservative third-party upstart, over the GOP-chosen candidate, moderate Dierdre Scozzafava. Badly trailing in polls, she ended up dropping out and in a slap at the GOP endorsing Democrat Bill Owens.

The White House is suggesting that those developments show that hard-liners are taking over the GOP and the trend will affect the 2010 elections. Predicted presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs on Monday: "This is a model for what you'll see throughout the country."

Indeed, there are similar tensions in Senate primaries in Florida, California and elsewhere, where conservatives are challenging establishment-backed candidates.

Adding to the party's woes: No one or rather everyone is speaking for the GOP.

Fiery talk show hosts like Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have become the angry white face of the party, filling a vacuum created by Bush's departure as the its standard-bearer and the lack of one single person to emerge as its next generation leader.

The 2008 presidential nominee, John McCain, has all but disappeared from the Republican power structure. His running mate, Palin, refuses to disappear much to the delight of tabloids and to the chagrin of elder party statesmen. And one of the most unpopular politicians in recent times, former Vice President Dick Cheney, keeps popping up to attack Obama a reminder of the country's and the party's problems under Bush.

What's more, the GOP's ranks are thinning: Only 32 percent of respondents called themselves Republicans in a recent AP-GfK survey compared with 43 percent who called themselves Democrats.

Also, the party's power center is mostly limited to the South, the one region McCain dominated last fall; Obama won almost everywhere else including making inroads in emerging powerhouse regions like the West, although Republicans still solidly control several lightly populated states in the area.

And demographic, cultural and, perhaps, economic changes in America tilt in the Democrats' favor. Consider that Hispanics, a part of the Democratic base, are the nation's fastest growing minority group. Consider that more states than ever are permitting same-sex unions; Maine will vote Tuesday on whether to allow gay marriage. Consider that the emerging new industry so-called "green jobs" is focused on the environment, a core Democratic issue.

Still, Republicans sense opportunity at least in the short term.

The bloom is off the Obama rose, and the public is giving the Democratic-controlled Congress low ratings.

Economists say the recession is over but jobs aren't reappearing and unemployment is still expected to hit 10 percent. The war in Afghanistan continues, and the public is deeply divided over it. Obama's expansion of government and budget-busting spending isn't sitting well with most Americans. And independents are tilting away from Democrats.

All that raises this question: Can the GOP take advantage of such conditions or are the problems the party faces too great? Stay tuned to 2010 for the answer



WASHINGTON For Republicans, an election win of any size Tuesday would be a blessing. But victories in Virginia, New Jersey or elsewhere won't erase enormous obstacles the party faces heading into a 2010 midterm election year when control of Congress and statehouses from coast to coast will be up for grabs.

It's been a tough few years for the GOP. The party lost control of Congress in 2006 and then lost the White House in 2008 with three traditional Republican states Indiana, North Carolina and Virginia abandoning the party.

So even if political winds start blowing harder behind them and even if they can capitalize on Democratic missteps, Republicans still will have a long way to go over the next year because of their party's own fundamental problems divisions over the path forward, the lack of a national leader and a shrinking base in a changing nation.

The GOP would overcome none of those hurdles should Republican Bob McDonnell win the Virginia governor's race, Chris Christie emerge victorious in the New Jersey governor's contest, or conservative Doug Hoffman triumph in a hotly contested special congressional election in upstate New York.

In fact, 2009 seems to have underscored what may be the biggest impediment for Republicans the war within their base.

Not that the GOP would casually brush off even a small stack of victories on Tuesday.

One or more wins would give the Republicans a jolt, and a reason to rally in the coming months. Victories certainly would help with grass-roots fundraising and candidate recruiting. And they might just be enough to reinvigorate a party that controlled the White House and Congress through much of this decade, only to lose power in back-to-back national elections.

Viewed from the other side, a GOP sweep would be a setback for Democrats. It could be seen as a negative measure of President Barack Obama's standing and could signal trouble ahead as he seeks to get moderate Democratic lawmakers behind his legislative agenda and protect Democratic majorities in Congress next fall.

Still, with Democrats in control, the onus is on the GOP to get its act together. George W. Bush, the president many Republicans came to see as an election-day albatross, is gone, but the party troubles born under him linger.

Republican leaders in Washington certainly are mindful of the challenges.

"It's going to be a difficult road to walk, to work with relatively new entrants into the political system and to work with them to show them that, by and large, we are the party who represents their interests," House Republican leader John Boehner told CNN on Sunday, arguing that there's "a political rebellion" taking place in the country.

Others are more blunt.

"Right now there's no central Republican leader to turn to, and there's no central Republican message," conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh told Fox News on Sunday. "The Republican message is sort of muddied. What do they stand for? Right now it's opposition to Obama."

A debate is waging over whether that's enough or whether the party has to be for something, anything really, to be able to claw its way back to the top. Similar hand-wringing happened in the GOP ahead of the 1994 midterms. Just weeks before those elections, Republicans came up with the Contract with America and ended up taking control of Congress.

Heading into the 2010 elections, the GOP also faces a very real split between conservatives who want to focus on social issues which tend to work best during peaceful, prosperous times and the rest of the party, which generally wants a broader vision, particularly given recession.

Proof of a divide is in the special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District. Potential 2012 presidential hopefuls trying to solidify their conservative credentials, Sarah Palin and Tim Pawlenty, endorsed Hoffman, a conservative third-party upstart, over the GOP-chosen candidate, moderate Dierdre Scozzafava. Badly trailing in polls, she ended up dropping out and in a slap at the GOP endorsing Democrat Bill Owens.

The White House is suggesting that those developments show that hard-liners are taking over the GOP and the trend will affect the 2010 elections. Predicted presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs on Monday: "This is a model for what you'll see throughout the country."

Indeed, there are similar tensions in Senate primaries in Florida, California and elsewhere, where conservatives are challenging establishment-backed candidates.

Adding to the party's woes: No one or rather everyone is speaking for the GOP.

Fiery talk show hosts like Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have become the angry white face of the party, filling a vacuum created by Bush's departure as the its standard-bearer and the lack of one single person to emerge as its next generation leader.

The 2008 presidential nominee, John McCain, has all but disappeared from the Republican power structure. His running mate, Palin, refuses to disappear much to the delight of tabloids and to the chagrin of elder party statesmen. And one of the most unpopular politicians in recent times, former Vice President Dick Cheney, keeps popping up to attack Obama a reminder of the country's and the party's problems under Bush.

What's more, the GOP's ranks are thinning: Only 32 percent of respondents called themselves Republicans in a recent AP-GfK survey compared with 43 percent who called themselves Democrats.

Also, the party's power center is mostly limited to the South, the one region McCain dominated last fall; Obama won almost everywhere else including making inroads in emerging powerhouse regions like the West, although Republicans still solidly control several lightly populated states in the area.

And demographic, cultural and, perhaps, economic changes in America tilt in the Democrats' favor. Consider that Hispanics, a part of the Democratic base, are the nation's fastest growing minority group. Consider that more states than ever are permitting same-sex unions; Maine will vote Tuesday on whether to allow gay marriage. Consider that the emerging new industry so-called "green jobs" is focused on the environment, a core Democratic issue.

Still, Republicans sense opportunity at least in the short term.

The bloom is off the Obama rose, and the public is giving the Democratic-controlled Congress low ratings.

Economists say the recession is over but jobs aren't reappearing and unemployment is still expected to hit 10 percent. The war in Afghanistan continues, and the public is deeply divided over it. Obama's expansion of government and budget-busting spending isn't sitting well with most Americans. And independents are tilting away from Democrats.

All that raises this question: Can the GOP take advantage of such conditions or are the problems the party faces too great? Stay tuned to 2010 for the answer

gypsy


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forgot to put the link

for above post
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091102/ap_on_el_ge/us_election_rdp

SSC


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Obama's expansion of government and budget-busting spending isn't sitting well with most Americans. And independents are tilting away from Democrats.
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SSC wrote:Obama's expansion of government and budget-busting spending isn't sitting well with most Americans. And independents are tilting away from Democrats.
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It's too early to tell,but after the Carter Democrats got us 12% unemployment and a prime rate of 21%, we saw the conseravtives cut taxes and put the nation back to work (Reaganomics). Democrats generaly don't like to think about money issues much less base decisions on such concerns,so they ALWAYS go too far. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out why the Dems were so desperate to get these bills passed urgently and why they (Pelosi) have done and are doing all they can to keep these massive spending programs hidden from view. They may disdain money matters, but the average American has better sense. That's OUR damn money they're spending. Just wait untill the people get a gander at "cap and trade". Obama will tell us we need to start paying for our energy profligacy in order to finance new "greener" energy sources. Yeah, right. That's why the government just closed the Yucca Mtn. nuclear waste facility? A charge has been added to every single electricity user's bill who got nuke generated power in the USA for 25 years. 25 years of "paying for clean energy" down the drain. $13 billion, plus $600 million to settle law suits from those who were not delivered a waste site as contracted. An additional $11 billion in further costs. Why? Sooner or later,people are going to wake up and realize the Dems are out to change this country. "Change" like in "Less of everything". (except community activists, government employees, and stupid government programs).

SSC


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Obama got a wake up call last night, all his beating the streets for the Dems in NJ and Virginia did NOTHING..Every month on my light bill is a cost increase for fuel adjustment, wait till winter, our rates go up in May and down in Nov. but heating costs always go out of site...I love Gibbs reply to was Obama watching the returns..he said Obama was watching an HBO documentary about himself..LMAO..maybe he needed a refresher course in promises he has broken or ignored..

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SSC wrote:Obama got a wake up call last night, all his beating the streets for the Dems in NJ and Virginia did NOTHING..Every month on my light bill is a cost increase for fuel adjustment, wait till winter, our rates go up in May and down in Nov. but heating costs always go out of site...I love Gibbs reply to was Obama watching the returns..he said Obama was watching an HBO documentary about himself..LMAO..maybe he needed a refresher course in promises he has broken or ignored..
Pelosi, not to be outdone in the bullshit department, proclaimed victory for the Democrats! (Pelosi: "This is a victory") She referred to the NY race as one they were "engaged in" and thusly implying the other two were of no importance. Yeah,right. Obama was "engaged" in the NJ race enough to go there 5 times for Chorzine (sp) but lost anyway. The entire admin. is and has been playing an empty PR game since the start. "Single payer" coverage became a "public option" and then morphed into "insurance reform". Public option became "consumer option", etc. You better damn well believe Obama was being kept up to speed minute by minute on the three races. This small town approach to politics is embarrassing and informs us as to what we can expect from Obama: Anything but the truth.

SSC


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By changing single payer and public option the Dems (Pelosi) think it will be easier to forget the on going mess , they are sending up a smoke screen to try and hide behind..I was shown in other bills a name change worked in their favor..A typical dem. maneuver to cover the crap with more aromatic crap

gypsy


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no reflection/ on any post just a ***Rogue*** post Give me the good old values//Republican Party//use to have

I would love this. they have lost their values,an base/ Fox is not their base~

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