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26 Re: HOORAY! (for you guys...I think) on Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:40 pm

gypsy


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You know if i agree with all of you,how would it be different

also I wouldn't be the punching bag,one voice can make the difference

27 Re: HOORAY! (for you guys...I think) on Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:59 pm

rosco 357


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gypsy wrote:Rosco,that is what I showed, the points on medicare,I don't see it being cut,by the info I showed. maybe those nursing homes don't/won;t meet requirements, we need to upgrade nursin homes any way maybe this should be put into a bill sticter requirements for care

ur reading the old mostly house versions.that are basically history as this one will overide them, i was quoting nursing home owners,on tv today,, after the vote, on what this bill will do to them. it was their words, then the tv anchor said just when the baby boomers will need nursing home they would be cut,, i think it cuts there payments from patents insurance, here is what ur senator said, i know u dont like him but he is on this committee, that passed this today, 10/13/09

McConnell Statement on Finance Committee Proposal
from the Office of Senator Mitch McConnell

Tuesday, October 13, 2009

‘The fact is, this proposal will never come before the Senate’

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell made the following statement Tuesday regarding the Finance Committee vote on partisan health care reform:

“Sen. Snowe called me this morning to let me know that while she continues to have serious, substantive policy reservations with this proposal, she wanted to keep the process moving. I share her concerns about the direction of this bill once it leaves the committee, and her call for transparency before we vote to proceed to any bill on the floor.

"The fact is, this proposal will never come before the Senate. But what we do know is that the bill written behind closed doors here in the Capitol will be another 1,000-page, trillion-dollar Washington takeover. We know it will slash a half-trillion dollars from seniors’ Medicare, add new taxes and raise premiums. That’s not reform.”

http://mcconnell.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=318892&start=1

28 Re: HOORAY! (for you guys...I think) on Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:04 am

gypsy


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I don't think so,It was just truth/fact check on all the date is there

but my point was medicare,the last part of moons post~

29 Re: HOORAY! (for you guys...I think) on Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:49 am

SSC


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Rosco you are correct, what was passed today is just the beginning, down the road the cuts to benefits will begin, this agreed by people on both sides of the fence...Medicare will be totally overhauled and in the end it will be the ones drawing it that will pay the price...
I have read about those who pay high premiums on supplemental ins. policies, don't these come under the heading of the premier policies ?? If so won't these be the ones to see an even higher increase ?

30 Re: HOORAY! (for you guys...I think) on Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:55 am

gypsy


Moderator
the fact is, this proposal will never come before the Senate. But what we do know is that the bill written behind closed doors here in the Capitol will be another 1,000-page, trillion-dollar Washington takeover. We know it will slash a half-trillion dollars from seniors’ Medicare, add new taxes and raise premiums. That’s not reform.”// really looks like it is

rosco 357


Veteran
The Truth-O-Meter Says:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/oct/13/nancy-ann-deparle/study-health-insurers-says-premiums-will-rise-its-/

DeParle
A report by the health insurance industry "ignores some of the key policies that are part of the Senate Finance Committee bill."

Nancy-Ann DeParle on Monday, October 12th, 2009 in an interview on "The NewsHour"
Study from health insurers says premiums will rise, but it's not the whole story
True


The day before an important vote in a Senate committee, the health insurance industry group released a report saying that health care reform will dramatically increase the cost of insurance.

The Obama administration attacked the report as a last-ditch effort to derail reform.

"I was disappointed to see that the health insurance industry had contrived a report like this at the last minute, right on the eve of a historic vote," said Nancy-Ann DeParle, director of the White House Office of Health Reform.

The report "ignores some of the key policies that are part of the Senate Finance Committee bill, such as the health insurance exchange, which is really a central feature that allows people to be pooled together to save administrative costs and to lower people's cost in achieving getting coverage," DeParle said.

For this item, we're checking DeParle's statement that the report ignores parts of the bill that would reduce costs.

The 26-page report was put together by PricewaterhouseCoopers. It examined four parts of a bill under consideration by the Senate Finance Committee.

The report examined four separate parts of the bill and found that all of them would increase costs for health insurance companies and health care providers. These increased costs would then most likely be passed on to consumers.

Among the report's complaints about the Finance Committee bill:

* Weak mandate. The legislation requires insurance companies to cover everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions. The report says this might be all right if everyone were required to buy insurance, but the rules requiring people to buy coverage are weak and take too long to phase in. That means insurers would have to raise rates overall to pay for coverage of sick people that they can currently exclude from coverage.

* Excise taxes on "Cadillac" plans. Insurance companies would pay an extra tax on the most generous health insurance plans people buy. The report said these taxes would be passed directly to consumers, and they projected that more plans would meet the definition of a "Cadillac" plan.

* Increased cost-shifting. The report claims that Medicare pays health care providers below cost for treatment, so the providers have to charge people with private insurance more. If the legislation reduces payments for Medicare, that means people with private insurance will be charged more, according to the study.

* Taxes on medical devices. The Senate Finance Committee bill raises taxes for the makers of certain medical devices, particularly the more expensive devices such as pacemakers and X-ray machines. The report says these taxes also would be passed on to consumers and result in higher premiums.

DeParle's criticism is that the report doesn't consider other parts of the bill that would lower costs for consumers. In particular, she points to health insurance exchanges, online marketplaces where people could comparison-shop for policies that meet their preferences for coverage and cost.

We read the report and found that DeParle is correct. The report does isolate aspects of the bill without considering the overall effects. It does not appear to consider how incentives or administrative efficiencies could result in reduced costs. The report even acknowledges that.

"The reform packages under consideration have other provisions that we have not included in this analysis," the report states. "We have not estimated the impact of the new subsidies on the net insurance cost to households. Also, if other provisions in health care reform are successful in lowering costs over the long term, those improvements would offset some of the impacts we have estimated."

This caveat makes the report's findings incomplete, so we're skeptical that the specific dollar figures it presents as cost increases will reflect actual outcomes for consumers. However, it is reasonable to think that health insurance companies will pass on increased costs to consumers to the extent that they are able, which would drive up premiums. So the report isn't entirely off base, but it does present its evidence selectively.

The report did not derail Democrats' hopes for a successful vote in the Senate Finance Committee. The proposal was approved 14-9, with Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine joining the Democrats. The next step is for the Senate Finance bill to be combined with a bill from the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee.

Getting back to our ruling, DeParle criticized the health insurance industry report on the grounds that it was an incomplete analysis. She said it "ignores some of the key policies that are part of the Senate Finance Committee bill." The report itself admits as much. We rate her statement True.

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