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rosco 357


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MY WORDS : ihave always said, he will keep the blue dogs in the house satisfied,as they are from conservative districts, and Rahm will tell the far left , hey either this come out of the house or nothing. so i think the bill will look more like what the blue dogs passed out of their committee. before the summer break they are back from, if the repubs see something will pass without them they may decide to work with dems and craft some things they want, or if not just let the dems pass it on there own, they will not even now need olympia snow from maine in the senate, but she may very well vote yes if the blue dogs version is to her liking, so now wait and watch,

Obama sets stage for using budget maneuver to pass health reform
By Sam Youngman - 09/10/09 05:19 PM ET
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/58233-obama-sets-stage-for-using-budget-maneuver-to-pass-health-reform

President Barack Obama this week has been laying the foundation for Senate Democrats to use a controversial budget maneuver to pass healthcare reform.

By offering Republicans olive branches during his address to Congress on Wednesday, Obama has set up a win-win situation. If GOP lawmakers embrace compromise, a healthcare bill would pass Congress easily. But the more likely scenario is that Republicans will continue to oppose Obama’s plan, and the president later this fall will be able to note he tried to strike a deal with the GOP but could not.


That will set up a Democratic argument that Senate leaders have been forced to use a partisan budget tool known as reconciliation to pass a health bill through the Senate by a simple majority, instead of 60 votes. Under the budget plan they passed earlier this year, Democrats could invoke the reconciliation process on Oct. 15.

Republicans contend that the use of reconciliation would be at odds with Obama’s call for bipartisanship during his 2008 presidential campaign. But Obama has countered that argument in recent days by forcefully resurrecting the anti-Washington rhetoric that got him elected.

In Cincinnati on Monday, Obama blamed the "usual bickering in Washington" for the "funk" supporters of healthcare reform were enduring. And in a discussion with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va., on Tuesday, Obama said "there are a lot of politicians like that who, all they're thinking about is just, ‘How do I get reelected?’ and so they never actually get anything done."

Then on Wednesday night, Obama sought to portray his health reform plan as one that contains both Republican and Democratic ideas.

"The time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed," Obama said. "Now is the season for action."

Rep. Joe Wilson’s (R-S.C.) outburst on Wednesday was an unexpected gift to the White House, accentuating Obama’s point that bitter politics is getting in the way of improving the healthcare of Americans.

White House officials insist they still wants a broad bipartisan deal, but — realizing that is likely out of reach — they have shifted their strategy to focus on the bottom line.

“I think getting something done is paramount here," a senior administration official said before Obama’s address to Congress. "We want to bring along everyone who’s willing to come with us, but the fact that not everyone is willing to come with us is not an excuse to fail in dealing with what is really a fundamental issue that has to be done."

On "Good Morning America" on Wednesday, Obama repeated his call for Congress to stop playing politics. He also acknowledged he made a tactical error in giving lawmakers too much leeway to craft a bill.

"I, out of an effort to give Congress the ability to do their thing and not step on their toes, probably left too much ambiguity out there, which allowed, then, opponents of reform to come in and to fill up the airwaves with a lot of nonsense," Obama said.

The president also said that the White House has made every effort to include Republicans and their ideas in the process, but blamed "unyielding partisanship" for the absence of compromise.

“Part of the frustration I have is, is that on the Republican side there are wonderful people who really operated on the basis of pragmatism and common sense and getting things done,” Obama said. “Those voices have been — been, I think, shouted down on that side.”

Obama publicly accepted Wilson’s apology while at the same time decrying "name-calling" he says the American people won't tolerate.

The president went so far as to warn Republicans that he "will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it."

Another aspect of the Democrats’ rationale for using reconciliation will likely be the $787 billion stimulus bill, which they note included tax cuts but was only supported by three Republicans in Congress.

Republicans, predictably wary of Obama's maneuvering, said if Obama is setting up a defense of reconciliation, it will do little to blunt the blowback from both Congress and the American people.

“If Democrats use controversial insider tactics to force a proposal that the majority of Americans disagree with, not only would they guarantee bipartisan opposition, but they would also spark a new level of outrage among a huge majority of people in this country," said a Senate Republican leadership aide.

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",,, all they're (Republicans) thinking about is just, ‘How do I get reelected?’ and so they never actually get anything done." /// As far as Obamacare goes,this ain't untrue. The Repubs don't wanna vote for a program the clear majority of the American people don't want. The Dems should be concerned about how not to get "de-elected" in 2010. If an old guy in the middle of nowhere,like me, can see this coming well before any last minute "negotiations", the plans are obvious. The Dems,driven by purely partisan politics and the goadiings of tupperware lady,Nancy Pelosi, are gonna go to the wall with this stupid,expensive,dangerous legislation even if they have to break the rules. I'm not sure they can even get 51 votes, but if they do, there will indeed be a lot of anger and hell raising until 2010. It won't abate until the people,now being ignored and slandered by the Dems, exact a certain revenge at the polls. Perhaps the Dems can use ACORN pimping expertise to drum up some popular support among whores and frauds. There must be millions of them in DC and Baltimore now. And,of course, Obama's colleagues in Illinois.

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i am probably repeating this i already said somewhere here, Rahm has been reminding the house dems they lost it in clintons mid term because they did not pass health reform. and if they dont vote for it , dont expect any help in the more liberal districts,from obama. what i dont know is how the house breaks down to liberal numbers vs conservative numbers in the house,,, Nancy Pelosi late thursday nite would no longer state the government option is a must in a bill as was reported on tv late thursday nite,,i watched it, and it also said ppl in the house are softening there position, i think its the liberals they are talking about, thats why i think the blue dog version is what will come out of the house.and i think that version is more close to the senate version, as i have always said, i dont know if that version is just the insurance exchanges or what , but time will tell, i think many will loose the mid terms if nothing passes just as some will loose if something passes, so its kinda a wash, depending on how the make up of their district are., thats what it all comes down to the make up of the congressmans district,,, take care,

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rosco 357 wrote:i am probably repeating this i already said somewhere here, Rahm has been reminding the house dems they lost it in clintons mid term because they did not pass health reform. and if they dont vote for it , dont expect any help in the more liberal districts,from obama. what i dont know is how the house breaks down to liberal numbers vs conservative numbers in the house,,, Nancy Pelosi late thursday nite would no longer state the government option is a must in a bill as was reported on tv late thursday nite,,i watched it, and it also said ppl in the house are softening there position, i think its the liberals they are talking about, thats why i think the blue dog version is what will come out of the house.and i think that version is more close to the senate version, as i have always said, i dont know if that version is just the insurance exchanges or what , but time will tell, i think many will loose the mid terms if nothing passes just as some will loose if something passes, so its kinda a wash, depending on how the make up of their district are., thats what it all comes down to the make up of the congressmans district,,, take care,
The "House version" has already passed. It's a done deal. The political leanings of House mebers are irrelevant. It's strictly a Senate fight. There may be one or two Democratic Senators who will vote against the Senate version (whatever that turns out to be) but no more than a few. Only those will be in danger of being voted outta office by their Demo constituants. I submit NO Republican Senators will be turned out for voting against it. But if the Senate sinks to using the reconcilliation dodge and over-rides the public will (if that be the case) there will be,I think, many MORE voters who will vote out Demo Senators who join in that chicanery regardless of their leanings. As a matter of fact,I think many Senators who do that will be committing political suicide.

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