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1 Cheney Linked on Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:42 am

gypsy


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31867022/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/Cheney linked to concealment of CIA project
Former vice president told agency to hide it from Congress, 2 sources say
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Cheney Is Linked to Concealment of C.I.A. Project

MSNBC
By Scott Shane
updated 10:47 p.m. PT, Sat., July 11, 2009

The Central Intelligence Agency withheld information about a secret counterterrorism program from Congress for eight years on direct orders from former Vice President Dick Cheney, the agency’s director, Leon E. Panetta, has told the Senate and House intelligence committees, two people with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.

The report that Mr. Cheney was behind the decision to conceal the still-unidentified program from Congress deepened the mystery surrounding it, suggesting that the Bush administration had put a high priority on the program and its secrecy.

Mr. Panetta, who ended the program when he first learned of its existence from subordinates on June 23, briefed the two intelligence committees about it in separate closed sessions the next day.
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Efforts to reach Mr. Cheney through relatives and associates were unsuccessful.

The question of how completely the C.I.A. informed Congress about sensitive programs has been hotly disputed by Democrats and Republicans since May, when Speaker Nancy Pelosi accused the agency of failing to reveal in 2002 that it was waterboarding a terrorism suspect, a claim Mr. Panetta rejected.

Some leeway on disclosure
The law requires the president to make sure the intelligence committees “are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity.” But the language of the statute, the amended National Security Act of 1947, leaves some leeway for judgment, saying such briefings should be done “to the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources and methods or other exceptionally sensitive matters.”

In addition, for covert action programs, a particularly secret category in which the role of the United States is hidden, the law says that briefings can be limited to the so-called Gang of Eight, consisting of the Republican and Democratic leaders of both houses of Congress and of their intelligence committees.

The disclosure about Mr. Cheney’s role in the unidentified C.I.A. program comes a day after an inspector general’s report underscored the central role of the former vice president’s office in restricting to a small circle of officials knowledge of the National Security Agency’s program of eavesdropping without warrants, a degree of secrecy that the report concluded hurt the effectiveness of the counterterrorism surveillance effort.
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Democrats in Congress, who contend that the covert action provision was abused to cover up programs under President Bush, are seeking to change the law to permit the full committees to be briefed on more matters. President Obama, however, has threatened to veto the intelligence authorization bill if the changes go too far, and the proposal is now being negotiated by the White House and the intelligence committees.

A spokesman for the intelligence agency, Paul Gimigliano, declined on Saturday to comment on the report of Mr. Cheney’s role.

“It’s not agency practice to discuss what may or may not have been said in a classified briefing,” Mr. Gimigliano said. “When a C.I.A. unit brought this matter to Director Panetta’s attention, it was with the recommendation that it be shared appropriately with Congress. That was also his view, and he took swift, decisive action to put it into effect.”

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Program still classified
Bill Harlow, a spokesman for George J. Tenet, who was the C.I.A. director when the unidentified program began, declined to comment on Saturday, noting that the program remains classified.

Intelligence and Congressional officials have said the unidentified program did not involve the C.I.A. interrogation program and did not involve domestic intelligence activities. They have said the program was started by the counterterrorism center at the C.I.A. shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, but never became fully operational, involving planning and some training that took place off and on from 2001 until this year.

“Because this program never went fully operational and hadn’t been briefed as Panetta thought it should have been, his decision to kill it was neither difficult nor controversial,” one intelligence official, who would speak about the classified program only on condition of anonymity. “That’s worth remembering amid all the drama.”
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2 Re: Cheney Linked on Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:49 pm

rosco 357


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i have pretty much know how the gang of 8 worked,in past matters, i hope obama leaves it that way, and does veto anything that goes to far, he will have intel he needs to keep secret also at some point, to protect ppl and how we collect intel,and for national security. if to many ppl know,it will wind up being leaked to the press is my opinion..

3 Re: Cheney Linked on Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:56 pm

SSC


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Good for Cheney, who's business is it to leak crucial information. Have you ever noticed many articles written on quotes from politicians , the source is unnamed ??? Keep reading the person making the statement was not authorized to release the information.
If vital surveillance information is leaked thru big mouths on capital hill then what kind of safety do we have a chance of having ?
Lose lips sink ships !!!
Our country cannot be at risk , programs such as this are best kept totally out of the public eye.

4 Re: Cheney Linked on Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:08 pm

gypsy


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they are not talking about public eye, they are talking about CIA keeping secrets and misleading Congress, and cheney telling the cia not to divulge plans,to congress and not briefing them that is breaking the law~ maybe cheney should not have opened this can of worms.and gone so public, now he is back in hiding an can't be reached.
I stated months ago this same scenario in the news today.

5 Re: Cheney Linked on Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:22 pm

rosco 357


Veteran
Some leeway on disclosure
The law requires the president to make sure the intelligence committees “are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity.” But the language of the statute, the amended National Security Act of 1947, leaves some leeway for judgment, saying such briefings should be done “to the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources and methods or other exceptionally sensitive matters.” i think he will beat the wrap, he already won one case in the supreme court,, lol i know we all are pulling for him since he had our national interest and safety in mind, lmao

6 Re: Cheney Linked on Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:54 pm

SSC


Admin
You are so right Rosco, you are saying the same thing I am, our national security was at stake here, the less number who knew the less chance of a leak to the media, which would have endangered our whole country. This is not that hard to understand.

7 Re: Cheney Linked on Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:08 am

gypsy


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all I have to say on the last statements lol!

8 Re: Cheney Linked on Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:44 pm

SSC


Admin
typical response

9 Re: Cheney Linked on Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:51 pm

gypsy


Moderator
yes I thought so..thanks:)

10 Re: Cheney Linked on Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:38 pm

SSC


Admin
one intelligence official, who would speak about the classified program only on condition of anonymity. “That’s worth remembering amid all the drama.”

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My very point a big mouth making a statement..but afraid to give his name....need I prove more

11 Re: Cheney Linked on Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:42 pm

gypsy


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you don't have to, if investigated they will~ simple

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