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1 N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:14 pm

SSC


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Report: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii
Thursday , June 18, 2009
TOKYO —

North Korea may fire a long-range ballistic missile toward Hawaii in early July, a Japanese news report said Thursday, as Russia and China urged the regime to return to international disarmament talks on its rogue nuclear program.

The missile, believed to be a Taepodong-2 with a range of up to 4,000 miles, would be launched from North Korea's Dongchang-ni site on the northwestern coast, said the Yomiuri daily, Japan's top-selling newspaper. It cited an analysis by the Japanese Defense Ministry and intelligence gathered by U.S. reconnaissance satellites.

The missile launch could come between July 4 and 8, given the North's propensity to launch on U.S. holidays. July 8 is also the anniversary of former leader's Kim Il Sung's death.

As of late Wednesday night, however, there was no satellite imagery suggesting North Korea had yet stacked or staged a Taepodong-2 missile at either the Dongchang-ni site on its northwest coast or at its Musudan-ni facility on its northeast coast.

Trains are regularly running from North Korea's Tongnim missile factory to both the northwest and northeast launch pads, but there is speculation by South Korean officials that some may be empty and designed to confuse foreign intelligence agencies which the North knows are watching from the skies.

While the newspaper speculated the Taepodong-2 could fly over Japan and toward Hawaii, it said the missile would not be able to hit Hawaii's main islands, which are about 4,500 miles from the Korean peninsula.

A spokesman for the Japanese Defense Ministry declined to comment on the report. South Korea's Defense Ministry and the National Intelligence Service — the country's main spy agency — said they could not confirm it.

Tension on the divided Korean peninsula has spiked since the North conducted its second nuclear test on May 25 in defiance of repeated international warnings. The regime declared Saturday it would bolster its nuclear programs and threatened war in protest of U.N. sanctions taken for the nuclear test.

U.S. officials have said the North has been preparing to fire a long-range missile capable of striking the western U.S. In Washington on Tuesday, Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it would take at least three to five years for North Korea to pose a real threat to the U.S. west coast.

President Barack Obama and South Korean President Lee Myung-bak met in Washington on Tuesday for a landmark summit in which they agreed to build a regional and global "strategic alliance" to persuade North Korea to dismantle all its nuclear weapons. Obama declared North Korea a "grave threat" to the world and pledged that the new U.N. sanctions on the communist regime will be aggressively enforced.

In Seoul, Vice Unification Minister Hong Yang-ho told a forum Thursday that the North's moves to strengthen its nuclear programs is "a very dangerous thing that can fundamentally change" the regional security environment. He said the South Korean government is bracing for "all possible scenarios" regarding the nuclear standoff.

The independent International Crisis Group think tank, meanwhile, said the North's massive stockpile of chemical weapons is no less serious a threat to the region than its nuclear arsenal.

It said the North is believed to have between 2,500 and 5,000 tons of chemical weapons, including mustard gas, phosgene, blood agents and sarin. These weapons can be delivered with ballistic missiles and long-range artillery and are "sufficient to inflict massive civilian casualties on South Korea."

"If progress is made on rolling back Pyongyang's nuclear ambitions, there could be opportunities to construct a cooperative diplomatic solution for chemical weapons and the suspected biological weapons program," the think tank said in a report released Thursday.

It also called on the U.S. to engage the North in dialogue to defuse the nuclear crisis, saying "diplomacy is the least bad option." The think tank said Washington should be prepared to send a high-level special envoy to Pyongyang to resolve the tension.

In a rare move, leaders of Russia and China used their meetings in Moscow on Wednesday to pressure the North to return to the nuclear talks and expressed "serious concerns" about tension on the Korean peninsula.

The joint appeal appeared to be a signal that Moscow and Beijing are growing impatient with Pyongyang's stubbornness. Northeastern China and Russia's Far East both border North Korea, and Pyongyang's unpredictable actions have raised concern in both countries.

After meetings at the Kremlin, Chinese President Hu Jintao joined Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in urging a peaceful resolution of the Korean standoff and the "swiftest renewal" of the now-frozen talks involving their countries as well as North and South Korea, Japan and the United States.

"Russia and China are ready to foster the lowering of tension in Northeast Asia and call for the continuation of efforts by all sides to resolve disagreements through peaceful means, through dialogue and consultations," their statement said.

The comments — contained in a lengthy statement that discussed other global issues — included no new initiatives, but it appeared to be carefully worded to avoid provoking Pyongyang. In remarks after their meetings, Medvedev made only a brief reference to North Korea, and Hu did not mention it.

South Korea's Lee said Wednesday in Washington that was essential for China and Russia to "actively cooperate" in getting the North to give up its nuclear program, suggesting the North's bombs program may trigger a regional arms race.

"If we acknowledge North Korea possessing nuclear programs, other non-nuclear countries in Northeast Asia would be tempted to possess nuclear weapons and this would not be helpful for stability in Northeast Asia," Lee said in a meeting with former U.S. officials and Korea experts, according to his office.

FOX News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

2 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:49 pm

rosco 357


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this senerio is where obama worries me. ppl think him weak, these are times i wish we had a strong republican president, we also have to look at japan, korea can damage them, that cant happen, im sure the millitary has a plan but does obama have the balls, i posted this, there is talk of japan going nuclear which with our help would not take long, we have a treaty to defend them, korea must know that, this is not a play thing, it could go real , or korea is running its mouth, i still say testing obama, and obama may just be running his mouth, maybe we will find out when the first ship suspected of carrying nuclear stuff is stopped, ,



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3 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:29 pm

gypsy


Moderator
This definitely is a test, at Obama.. I disagree with your statement of a Strong Republican, we have had very strong democrat presidents.
I think Obama is a strong president,, he doesn't jump until he is certain` that is good to some degree.. we shall see, very true in that statement~

4 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:48 pm

SSC


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A president with no military experiance is a little unnerving in times like this. One slight hesitation on his part could be a trigger. We need strong firm leadership with knowledge of war time , not someone whose only tactics are coming from advisors. This is not the time for a rookie at the helm.

5 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:08 pm

rosco 357


Veteran
SSC wrote:A president with no military experiance is a little unnerving in times like this. One slight hesitation on his part could be a trigger. We need strong firm leadership with knowledge of war time , not someone whose only tactics are coming from advisors. This is not the time for a rookie at the helm.

obama has to know, if he lets korea run over us, he will be one term, ppl will not vote for a wuz, this is a big test of him, will he back down,or what, we shall see, the destroyer the USS John macain, is getting into position to challenge the korean ship, i think they are waiting till it clears some china waters, or something, anyway i posted on it, i am glad he kept on bushes defense secretary robert gates. they as i type are running a story on tv about it, it is suspected of nuclear material. but korea says that means war, but i doubt they would do that, it may still be hugging the china coast, if it has nothing on it, they are saying let another countrys ship board it,,

6 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:42 pm

SSC


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From what I have read the N Korean ship has to clear the waters of China before the McCain can attempt to stop it and conduct a search. If this happens N.Korea will consider it as an act of war and then who knows what will happen, they have already test fired 6 missles in defiance of the UN and now with the one aimed at Hawaii. Some holiday or something is coming up and during that time is when the launch is expected.
Obama better be on his toes.

7 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:55 pm

rosco 357


Veteran
well this is from memory, i think korea in past year, or years fired off missles on the 4th of july, i think i read the missile they are talking about actually would not reach Hawaii, but they would not try to hit our state anyway, they would make sure of that or they would be history, i mean can korea say pearl harbor, lol, they are just putting on a show, if they did anything now it would be against south korea , in massive convetional arms they have had aimed at it for years, but again. can u say highway of death the highway out of kuwait, the iraqis took, we can do that to the whole of korea, all this is my view, i dont see us using nuke since it so close to china, the radiation might hurt china, and then what would walmart do, lol

8 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:49 am

gypsy


Moderator
SSC wrote:A president with no military experiance is a little unnerving in times like this. One slight hesitation on his part could be a trigger. We need strong firm leadership with knowledge of war time , not someone whose only tactics are coming from advisors. This is not the time for a rookie at the helm.

I disagree, military experience is not needed.. so someone quick on the trigger?

9 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:42 am

rosco 357


Veteran
gypsy wrote:
SSC wrote:A president with no military experience is a little unnerving in times like this. One slight hesitation on his part could be a trigger. We need strong firm leadership with knowledge of war time , not someone whose only tactics are coming from advisors. This is not the time for a rookie at the helm.

I disagree, military experience is not needed.. so someone quick on the trigger?

military experience does not make one quick on the trigger,maybe even the opposite, but we cant talk our way out of everything, i imagine before obama is done he will pull a trigger somewhere, clinton did a few times,once a cruise missile strike because of a plan to kill bush senior, maybe sooner than later, obamas numbers are falling, one way to up ur numbers is drop a few bombs,

10 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:43 pm

gypsy


Moderator
one way to up your numbers is drop a few bombs?/ Lordy Rosco LOL I didn't realize Obamas numbesr are falling? I will have to check that out :)

11 Re: N. Korea May Fire ICBM Toward Hawaii on Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:02 pm

SSC


Admin
A`President with military experience does not mean he is quick on the trigger, probably the opposite, he would be more likely to access the situation from his knowledge , but not be hesitant to take action if necessary. Also be familiar with field procedure and terminology.
I agree Rosco drop a couple of attention getting bombs, the missile N.Korea has lines up has a 4000 mile radius which does put Hawaii within its range.

12 Obama Job Approval Slips to 58% for First Time on Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:51 pm

rosco 357


Veteran
gypsy wrote:one way to up your numbers is drop a few bombs?/ Lordy Rosco LOL I didn't realize Obamas numbesr are falling? I will have to check that out :)

MY words, well the bomb thing was just teasing, although it does up ur ratings if the bombing is really needed.. ofcourse u have to realize the ppl that put obama in are anti military ppl for the most part, so it may not work in his case, but there are no places that need bombing so that was a tease line,

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121028/Obama-Job-Approval-Slips-58-First-Time.aspx

June 19, 2009
Obama Job Approval Slips to 58% for First Time
Lowest reading for Obama thus far in Gallup Poll Daily tracking
by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama's job approval rating fell to 58% in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from June 16-18 -- a new low for Obama in Gallup tracking, although not dissimilar to the 59% he has received on four other occasions.

Thirty-three percent of Americans now disapprove of the job Obama is doing as president, just one point shy of his record-high 34% disapproval score from early June.

Since Obama took office in January, his approval rating in Gallup tracking has averaged 63%, and most of his three-day ratings have registered above 60%. Approval of Obama did fall to 59% in individual readings in February, March, April, and early June; however, in each case, the rating lasted only a day before rebounding to at least 60%.

The latest decline in Obama's approval score, to 58%, results from a drop in approval among political independents as well as among Republicans. Democrats remain as highly supportive of the president as ever.

Obama's approval rating was 60% from June 13-15, at which time 88% of Democrats, 60% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approved of the job he was doing. In the June 16-18 polling, Democrats' approval of him stands at 92% -- up slightly -- whereas approval is down among both independents (by seven points) and Republicans (by four points).

Bottom Line

Since February, Obama's weekly approval ratings from Republicans have consistently averaged close to 30% and from independents, close to 60%. With Republican approval now down to 21% and independent approval down to 53%, Obama's overall job approval has dipped to a new low for his presidency.

It is not clear what's behind the decline, but two issues have received considerable play in the news this week, and could be contributing factors. On Monday, the president received bad news on healthcare reform from the Congressional Budget Office, whose estimate of the cost of one reform plan caused sticker shock on Capitol Hill. This may be feeding into public concerns about the administration's deficit spending. At the same time, the disputed Iranian presidential election has been front-page news. Obama's cautious response has sparked sharp criticism from Republican Sen. John McCain and many on the political right who are eager for him to declare the election a "fraud," and to show more solidarity with the Iranian protestors.

Survey Methods

Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,504 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted June 16-18, 2009, as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

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