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1 Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:47 am



My words this just a reminder of what Obama inheritd

WASHINGTON The government's budget deficit will surge past a half-trillion dollars next year, according to gloomy new estimates, a record flood of red ink that promises to force the winner of the presidential race to dramatically alter his economic agenda.

The deficit will hit $482 billion in the 2009 budget year that will be inherited by Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain, the White House estimated Monday. That figure is sure to rise after adding the tens of billions of dollars in additional Iraq war funding it doesn't include, and the total could be higher yet if the economy fails to recover as the administration predicts.

The result: the biggest deficit ever in terms of dollars, though several were higher in the 1980s and early 1990s as a percentage of the overall economy.

Neither campaign is backing off campaign promises _ McCain to cut taxes and Obama to expand health and education programs _ in light of the bleaker new figures.

"We can't afford not to invest in some major initiatives such as health and energy and middle-class tax cuts," said Obama economic adviser Jason Furman. "And we also can't afford not to pay for those initiatives."

But Democrats controlling Congress suggest that may have to change once President Bush's successor takes office.

"Whoever becomes the next president will have a very, very sobering first week in office," said Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D.

McCain promises to renew the full roster of Bush tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 and add many more for businesses and upper income people who pay the alternative minimum tax. The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 and renewing them would soon cost well over $200 billion a year. Eliminating the alternative minimum at the same time would cost almost as much.
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Obama would repeal tax cuts on wealthier taxpayers and investors but would leave most of the Bush tax cuts in place while seeking additional cuts for senior citizens, the middle class and the working poor. And he also wants lots of new spending for health care, education and many other federal programs.

"There's a total disconnect between today's report and what we're hearing on the campaign trail," said Robert Bixby of the Concord Coalition budget watchdog group.

The deficit situation confronting the next president is reminiscent of that which Bill Clinton faced in 1993. Under Wall Street pressure, Clinton abandoned promises of tax cuts and pushed a tax-heavy deficit reduction plan through a Democratic Congress.

The administration said the deficit was being driven to an all-time high by the sagging economy and the stimulus payments being made to 130 million households in an effort to keep the country from falling into a deep recession. But the numbers could go even higher if the economy performs worse than the White House predicts.

The budget office predicts the economy will grow at a rate of 1.6 percent this year and will rebound to a 2.2 percent growth rate next year. That's a half point higher than predicted by the widely cited "blue chip" consensus of business economists. The administration also sees inflation averaging 3.8 percent this year, but easing to 2.3 percent next year _ better than the 3 percent seen by the blue chip panel.

"The nation's economy has continued to expand and remains fundamentally resilient," said the budget office report.

A $482 billion deficit would easily surpass the record deficit of $413 billion set in 2004. The White House in February had forecast that next year's deficit would be $407 billion.

The deficit numbers for 2008 and 2009 represent about 3 percent of the size of the economy, which is the measure seen as most relevant by economists. By that measure, the 2008 and 2009 deficits would be smaller than the deficits of the 1980s and early 1990s that led Congress and earlier administrations to cobble together politically painful deficit-reduction packages.

Still, the new figures are so eye-popping in dollar terms that they may restrain the appetite of the next president to add to the deficit with expensive spending programs or new tax cuts. In fact, pressure may build to allow some tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 to expire as scheduled, with Congress also feeling pressure to curb spending growth.

The administration actually underestimates the deficit since it leaves out about $80 billion in war costs. In a break from tradition _ and in violation of new mandates from Congress _ the White House did not include its full estimate of war costs.

On a slightly brighter note, the deficit for the 2008 budget year ending Sept. 30 will actually drop from an earlier projection of $410 billion to $389 billion, the report said.

McCain used the new 2009 estimates to slam both the Bush White House for its "profligate spending" and Democratic rival Obama, who has declined to endorse the goal of McCain _ and congressional Democrats _ to balance the budget.

"I have an unmatched record in fighting wasteful earmarks and unnecessary spending in the U.S. Senate, and I have the determination and experience to do the same as president," McCain said in a statement. McCain again called for a full plate of multi-trillion dollar tax cuts, though campaign adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said some modifications could be made to McCain's economic plan to try to reach balance.

Obama's campaign used the new numbers to assail McCain for embracing Bush's tax cuts. As for Obama's plans, campaign adviser Furman said the candidate would cut wasteful spending, close corporate loopholes and roll back the Bush tax cuts on upper brackets while still promising to make "health care affordable and putting a middle class tax cut in the pocket of 95 percent of workers and their families."

Monday's figures capped a remarkable deterioration in the United States' budgetary health under Bush's time in office.

He inherited a budget seen as producing endless huge surpluses after four straight years in positive territory. That stretch of surpluses represented a period when the country's finances had been bolstered by a 10-year period of uninterrupted economic growth, the longest expansion in U.S. history.

In his first year in office, helped by projections of continuing surpluses, Bush drove through a 10-year, $1.35 trillion package of tax cuts.

However, faulty estimates, a recession in March 2001 and government spending to fight the war on terrorism contributed to pushing the deficit to a record in dollar terms in 2004.

There had been progress since then, with a $161.5 billion deficit for 2007 representing the lowest amount of red ink since an imbalance of $159 billion in 2002.

2 Re: Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:14 pm


A little ancient reporting isn't it, we are on to bigger (debt) and better(higher unemployment numbers) things. With the Obama spending spree the next 3 generations will be in debt up to their eyeballs..not to mention our curency is near worthless...
Thanks Gyp. for attempting to fuel another round...great try..Just remember Obama is YOUR boy not mine.

3 Re: Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:41 pm


That is right, he is the president..I did vote for him and we all better hopes he succeeds~..I have faith he will at least get us on the road to recovery.. we will see.. not fueling nuttin just facing facts~and posting like you do..just in case one don't forget how we got in this mess~~

4 Re: Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:18 pm


Well so far ole BOY has us in debt for at least 30 years, fast making us a laughing stock around the world and going full steam ahead to collapse the US. You keep you sunny attitude , his taxes will wipe that smile off your face very soon.

5 Re: Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:40 pm


I disagree,..
bush already did,make a fool of America and a laughing stock.. and most of the deficit was inherited~ now we must try to fix it~ but republicans like you will never reach across and unite so mine,and other peoples words are useless on you,and others like you~~ oh an your the new analyst the smile was wiped off by eight years of bush..

6 Re: Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:46 pm


Well thank goodness you finally realized that hopefully you will stop trying to provoke on these boards with crap like you started this thread with.......not making any points for sure just causing ripples as you always do..
Try doing some math on deficit of Bush and what Obama has chalked up in 6 months and he isn't done spending his monopoly money.

7 Re: Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:56 pm


I don't post crap, you do~ and your always negative,never do i read anything good or complimentary on put.. is there a problem there ssc? you need more optimism
your negative posts to me,and about everything mean nothing ,your put downs mean nothing~ just same old same old .. and no, I will not argue~ with you sunny

ps your the provoker, if you don't like my crap as you call it don't read it~ then there is no problem~ understand??I must have made points you responded

8 Re: Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:01 pm


I love the fact you are trying to be like me as you have stated in your posts..keep up the good work Gyp, at least you have a purpose in life to hunt crap articles , but they are always good for a laugh...

9 Re: Bush leaving next president on Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:11 pm


Roses are red
violets are blue
Thank God
there is only one of you~

hoping ssc
will have a good
and maybe will
from always steaming~~

critical and hatred
do not become you
i picture
a southern beauty??
is it true

maybe should
renew you

written on the spur of the moment

from Gypsy

10 Re: Bush leaving next president on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:07 am


Jesus Gyp you are gonna have people talking sending me poems .....

11 Re: Bush leaving next president on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:13 am


hah haha well i felt it was better than fighting,, my son always said its nice to be nice~ LOL i think we can hit a happy ground, maybe you can slow down on criticism?, just because we don agree?,doesn't have to be a fight every time~~ true?

12 Re: Bush leaving next president on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:25 am


Why is it every time we get close to being civil there is always a punch line in your reply ??

13 Re: Bush leaving next president on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:30 am


didn't intend it to be a punch line,I guess i am always expecting one from you~ i am sorry I was just stating an observation,I can be very civil~

14 Re: Bush leaving next president on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:42 am


So can I.

15 Re: Bush leaving next president on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:45 am


good, I believe you can..I will try harder ..

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