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1 Most oppose closing Gitmo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:40 pm

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Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo
Updated 2h 44m ago

By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to closing the detention center for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and moving some of the detainees to prisons on U.S. soil, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.
By more than 2-1, those surveyed say Guantanamo shouldn't be closed. By more than 3-1, they oppose moving some of the accused terrorists housed there to prisons in their own states.

The findings underscore the difficult task President Obama faces in convincing those at home that he should follow through on his campaign promise to close the prison in Cuba, especially in the absence of a plan of where the prisoners would go.

In many parts of the world, however, Gitmo has become a symbol of U.S. arrogance and abuse, and Obama has cited its closure as a way to lay the foundation for better relations. He is scheduled to deliver a major address aimed at the Muslim world on Thursday from Cairo.

It is one of the few subjects on which most Americans side with the views of the Bush administration over its successor.


"Coming up on eight years after Sept. 11, fear remains, and fear is politically potent," says political scientist Paul Freedman of the University of Virginia, who studies public opinion. "When it comes to the issue of terrorism … people are inclined to err on the side of that fear."

Former vice president Dick Cheney said Monday that Obama made "a mistake" in promising to close the facility by the end of the year.

"I think it's going to be very difficult," he said at a National Press Club luncheon, given the reluctance of U.S. allies and citizens to accept its prisoners. "These are bad actors. These are the worst of the worst."

In a speech last month, Obama said the nation's "Supermax" prisons could be relied on to hold detainees. Government lawyers are reviewing the status of the 240 prisoners at Guantanamo to determine whether they should be tried in federal court or before a military tribunal, released overseas or held without trial.

In the survey, Americans were inclined to accept the argument by Cheney and former president George W. Bush that the detention center had made the United States safer. By 40%-18%, they said the prison had strengthened national security rather than weakened it.

Those who want the prison to remain open feel more strongly on the subject that those who want to close it. A 54% majority of those polled say the prison shouldn't be closed, and that they'll be upset if the administration moves forward to close it.

Last month, Senate Democrats stripped $80 million to close Gitmo from a spending bill and blocked transfer of detainees to U.S. soil, at least for now.

The survey of 1,015 adults, which was taken by landline and cellphone Friday through Sunday, has a margin of error of +/– 3 percentage points.

2 Some Guantánamo detainees to get laptops on Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:00 pm

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Some Guantánamo detainees to get laptops
To better prepare them for life in asylum, the U.S. military is setting up a virtual computer lab for some Guantánamo captives now cleared for release.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1073991.html


BY CAROL ROSENBERG
crosenberg@MiamiHerald.com

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVY BASE, Cuba -- These captives already get to order fast-food takeout from the base and have access to a phone booth for weekly calls. Now some 17 Uighur Muslims awaiting a nation to grant them asylum are about to go high-tech, with laptops and web training.

While awaiting details of President Barack Obama's order to close the prison camps by Jan. 22, commanders here have ordered 20 laptops for the captives of Camp Iguana.

''As you know, detainees are leaving this place,'' said Army Lt. Col. Miguel Mendez, who oversees detainee classes, a multilingual library and now-emerging virtual computer lab. "We're getting them computer classes to prepare for their return.''

E-MAIL LESSONS

The Uighur detainees won't be sending electronic mail to their lawyers or family members back in communist China anytime soon. Instead their lessons will be limited to DVD driven training.

A federal judge last year ordered that the men be set free after reviewing the American military's reasons for holding them in habeas corpus petitions that reached the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. by order of the Supreme Court.

But the Chinese citizens in exile have no place to go.

As devout Muslims, they fear religious persecution in their homeland, in part because of the stigma of having been held at Guantánamo for allegedly getting paramilitary training in Afghanistan before Sept. 11, 2001.

Attorney General Eric Holder said some could come to the United States for resettlement, triggering protests from members of Congress around Virginia, where other Uighurs live and have offered to settle them.

Nury Turkel, a Washington, D.C.-based Uighur rights activist, hailed the computer training development. Internet access could allow the men to listen to Uighur broadcasts of Radio Free Asia, he said.

Moreover, laptops would help the men ''be reintroduced into a modern society,'' said Turkel, who noted that after eight years in U.S. custody the computer training "also would give hope to the men that their freedom is nearing.''

Some Uighurs sent from Guantánamo to asylum in Albania several years ago now e-mail with Turkel regularly, he said.

Attorneys for the men did not respond to requests for comment.

LANGUAGE SKILLS

The computer training will offer DVD language training as well as a basic users skill-set to help in any future employment options, Mendez said. For example, detainees bound for Spain would get basic Spanish language classes.

The virtual computer lab is part of an emerging administration effort to persuade both Americans and European allies that some detainees are safe enough to resettle in their communities.

On the one hand, the Pentagon released a report last week that said 5 percent of detainees released by the Bush administration later turned to terrorism -- and that U.S. intelligence had their suspicions about another 9 percent who were freed.

On the other, a State Department diplomat is peddling detainee portfolios to Europe in a bid to find some asylum in new nations.

Rear Adm. David Thomas Jr., commander of the detention center, spent this week briefing the 2,000 sailor guards and other staff that operations would continue unchanged, with improvements until the prison camps are emptied.

'DRAMATIC' CHANGE

''Change is coming,'' he told 200 Navy guards at a town meeting at a military chapel.

"It's coming a little slow, but when it does it's going to be dramatic.''

He provided no timetable for closure. Two detainees have departed the prison since Obama took office, both for Europe, and a third is to be transferred to New York City for trial in the 1998 twin suicide bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

3 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:06 pm

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Sounds like Obama is doing some serious ass kissing for some unknown reason. Isn't it wonderful Obama will but prisoners laptops but children in school can't afford one...Seems like the priorities of this administration are getting more ass backwards.

4 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:07 pm

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some of these prisoners, i read/heard on news, were mentally ill from being in the prisons, and it is hard to know what to do with them~ one news source, you may have put this Rosco, that it would be lucky for it to close by January.

A congressman said his state would take some of the hard core prisoners, i forgot what state he was representing~I think i put the info and video here somewhere~

5 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:19 pm

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gypsy wrote:some of these prisoners, i read/heard on news, were mentally ill from being in the prisons, and it is hard to know what to do with them~ one news source, you may have put this Rosco, that it would be lucky for it to close by January.

A congressman said his state would take some of the hard core prisoners, i forgot what state he was representing~I think i put the info and video here somewhere~

i dont rememeber saying january but idid watch a congressman from i think virginia saying they could take them, but i imagine he does not speak for the virginians, and he is old and can afford to say things, if he is not going to run again, but no one wants them, other country's, or the united states, ppl. they have it made where they are, a tropical paradise, we will see,

6 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:28 pm

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yes he was from virginian, and he stated the Sheriff and Gov.were in agreement with taking the prisoners..

7 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:31 pm

rosco 357


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thats one of those we will see type things, i have a feeling things may change, just a feeling

8 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:34 pm

gypsy


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in what way? Change?

9 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:51 am

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One western state has agreed to take some but strictly for financial reasons , the gov. is going to pay big bucks (taxpayer money) to house these degenerates. I don't think many states are willing to put their residents in jeopardy.
Leave them in Gitmo, with conditions under scrutiny what is wrong with keeping them off US soil and away from more innocent people. Why should they be given preferential treatment they damn sure aren't special.

10 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:35 am

gypsy


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what differenc in taxpayers paying for them in a prison here, were paying for their care and detainment in gitmo~~ i don't see the argument there~ no criminal is special don't understand that comment,who said they are special?

11 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:22 pm

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Maybe you have a local prison in your area that would consider taking these barbarrians , my what a comforting thought ..since no prison is escape proof , what state in their right mind would want to keep them...Any state considering housing them should put it to a vote of the people , or at best let them hound their Reps. and Senators with objections. Siberia might be an option...Mentally ill from imprisonment..hogwash...sounds like a trumped up insanity plea....At least in Gitmo we have plenty of sharks between them and us..

12 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:30 pm

gypsy


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I am sure there is..
maximum security they ain't going anywhere, Illinois even stated they would take some~and Oklahoma.

13 Re: Most oppose closing Gitmo on Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:23 pm

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Never under estimate the mind of a terrorist , you can count on outside help. Even the Mafia is being run from behind prison bars so why not a terrorist plot being hatched...Nope shark infested waters are the way to seperate them from us..

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