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1 have you noticed? on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:00 pm

gypsy


Moderator
that most articles start with a thought to,a maybe,an analysis, hearsay etc?? never a definite~
because Why?A point i have made for years~~

Tell why??

2 Re: have you noticed? on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:07 pm

SSC


Admin
Not sure I get your meaning...if it is an individuals opinion then possible a ..what if ..but news articles not from blogs seem pretty contained to the subject matter.

3 Re: have you noticed? on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:21 pm

gypsy


Moderator
no ssc.
it doesn't read your supposed authorities, it is never a definite//
if you can substantiate that they know anything for sure~
it would be a great revelation~ can you say that?



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4 Re: have you noticed? on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:26 pm

SSC


Admin
Since I am not a news reporter, I must take the word of those who are and those who are much more skilled and learned than I am, plus publishing falsehoods never works, there are to many sharks out there reading and dissecting articles

5 Re: have you noticed? on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:29 pm

gypsy


Moderator
well that is the difference,I take no word,unless proved,or shown,I will always give the benifit of the doubt~~

6 Re: have you noticed? on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:32 pm

SSC


Admin
The way I look at it, if all 3 local news channels and 4-5 news papers all run the same article you can pretty well bet it is true. We have no way to witness news in the making, only take the word of those who were there to report the happenings.

7 Re: have you noticed? on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:59 pm

gypsy


Moderator
Wrong,u giving much power to the media

as Palin says~~

8 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:02 am

SSC


Admin
Since we are not there to witness the events then the media is our only source for news.

9 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:12 am

gypsy


Moderator
Bingo!

not there to witness

my point made~

10 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:38 am

SSC


Admin
BUT..news reporters are there , in every turn of events to report as swiftly and as accurately as is humanly possible

11 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:45 am

gypsy


Moderator
but your not~ my point on all subject~ presence is the key

12 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:01 am

SSC


Admin
Ok if that is the stance you want to take....were you there when your christ was suppost to have been crucified ??? Were you there when JFK was assassinated ? Were you there when Mt. St Helene's erupted ?? Since it is obvious you were not then these three events just became fictitious in your mind...didn't happen because YOU didn't see it happen.

13 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:48 am

Guest


Guest
gypsy wrote:that most articles start with a thought to,a maybe,an analysis, hearsay etc?? never a definite~
because Why?A point i have made for years~~

Tell why??
What do you mean "most articles"? Very few news articles start with speculation. Speculations are for the editorial page. I've read tons of your interpretations of many articles. My experience has been that if you read any article,news or speculation,you submit it as "proof" when it agrees with what you believe. If you read any article,news or speculation, you denounce it as "just what some reporter wrote" if it disagrees with what you believe. Now you can dismiss this as an "attack", but it is my observation based on years of reading your posts. I consider myself a conservative,but am careful not to quote or even read conservative blog-sites. I avoid them. But I read the occasional lib-site because they are usually so full of crap and propaganda,it's fun exposing such. Do I think conservative blog-sites always print the truth? Do I ever exert myself to expose such misinformation? No and no. It is YOUR responsibility,the reader,to do that. The best path will take you right by blogs and towards hard news. SSC is right (as usual) There are plenty of sharks out there in the news biz who quickly expose nonsense by offering FACTS,not just more nonsense. Ya gotta read and watch a LOT of sources.

14 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:50 am

gypsy


Moderator
no just because i copy/paste doesn't mean i agre with it~
to answer ssc on JFK it was not speculation,he was assassinated now of course we probably will never know the complete story,and with Jesus~/God proof is all around us,.
most news article or computer article start with and analysis or speculation~ if something hasn't happened yet.,like President Obama correcting or fixing the Economy, then all the articles about it are speculationuntil it happens his four years as president are speculation. until it is over then words can be written and again it is what one writesagain part of it is journalism,not all history written is fact
my point is>> unless one is there to witness,one can't be exact.

15 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:23 pm

runawayhorses


Owner
You are only 'assuming' JFK was assassinated becuase you heard about it on the news and didn't witness it yourself. That's your line of reasoning. Your argument is weak becuase you are rejecting any and all news as hearsay and nonsense, and only ones opinion, and no one can ever know for sure that the events and new reports are true, becuase we are not their to witness it ourselves. In your way of thinking we can't believe anything we read or hear on TV News. That's ridiculous and absurd, and you know it.

16 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:47 pm

gypsy


Moderator
no I am not saying that.
we witnessed it through filming and tv.I am saying most news article written or foreseeing what will work is analysis or speculation. I am not saying all news are,.i. I am referring to things that haven't happened yet but are in the works. I will say again unless one is there to witness all, when it is written and edited for news or written it is always what that person writes not what he has actually seen~ or witnessed personally but what he is told, or as with the presidents plans is all speculation whether it will work, until time has lapsed and it is shown, we can only speculate, am i making myself any clearer LOL

17 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:52 pm

gypsy


Moderator
ok for example, My Life? unless one witness what i do or is here walking with me no one can know right, i am saying what we read about what hasn't happened yet and the news or analysts, are only speculating~

18 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:46 pm

runawayhorses


Owner
Its interesting how easily you accept the God of the bible as fact, as you openly say you "Believe it", a story that is completely unreasonable and unbelievable. A book full of atrocities and contradictions, written by self-serving ignorant people, and how unwilling you are to believe in things that have WAY more believability and creditability as to their legitimacy and truth.

You seemingly discredit News reports that conflict with your own ideas of what you think is true, then applaud other reports that support your ideas and opinions. That's the way it looks to me. You seek to discredit the source of information, as opposed to disproving them with your own facts. I guess that's becuase you don't have any facts with any more creditability than anyone else does that enter into your criteria and standards, they must have seen it happen with there own eyes and been their, otherwise its hearsay.

So with that, its safe to assume we might not even be living in the United States, because we learned that as children in books, and books just like News reports, and the bible, was written my Man. Oh but I forgot, you believe in the bible, just not the other stuff people write, ok gotcha..

19 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:21 pm

gypsy


Moderator
I am not discrediting anything, I believe most news,especially if filmed,..
my point is, if one is not there then we have to rely on what is reported.
yes i believe in god, and some of the bible, i agree man wrote it,and what they saw or witnessed, was put in their on words~

also another point i am making is the opinion speculation of analyst on what hasn't happened yet ,like the plans incorporated~about the stimulus and obama as president~
I do not believe only what i c/p I look at every angle
what i am saying is unless one is there for real, like in your life or mine or anyone on here~ they have no idea what occurs~ or takes place~

20 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:39 pm

gypsy


Moderator
I don't believe people who believe in God are ignorant~ I am saying the news media has gone crazy in the last few years~ half of what they report is speculation and some downright untruth I am not saying all, but a lot is .
to know any happening for truth one would have to be there~ this topic has nothing to do with religion,or my personal beliefs.

21 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:49 pm

SSC


Admin
If you read or hear an opinion then that becomes the authors speculation, his opinion of what might possibly be the scenario. If you read a news article or see a news clip as it is reported as news then your chances of it being true are far greater. But to doubt all reporting , consider them as opinions is not realistic. News is not always what we want to hear, but in reporting the truth, many times the gruesome realities are what we must accept. Believing only what you can see or feel makes you seem to be an Agnostic. Your statement that you believe in God but only part of the bible , is rather odd. christians are expected to believe the written word not doubting but following. You are to live in the image portrayed in the bible . That is the guidelines set forth in the christian world.

22 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:08 pm

Guest


Guest
gypsy wrote:that most articles start with a thought to,a maybe,an analysis, hearsay etc?? never a definite~
because Why?A point i have made for years~~

Tell why??
This was your initial question. You said nothing about "news articles". Once again; you get a response you don't like and rewrite the question. OF COURSE articles speculating about what will be are speculative. No one here has ever said "I KNOW what is going to happen" have they? It is only reasonable to assume that when a poster is writing about the future, he/she is speculating. You,some years ago,told all of us at IYT that "no news source can be believed as fact". There were NO qualifiers then and it was an amazing statement. I see you still subscribe to it (somewhat selectively,of course) Any suggestion Obama may not "fix" the economy is mere speculation. Any speculation that we are on the road to a full economic recovery, wisdom to be treasured. The idea that all around us is proof that there is a god is silly. The things around us are "wonderful" only to us and proof of nothing but the existence of material things. The "beauty" and utility of any artifact or resource is ALWAYS measured in human terms. Without humans,those things would be no more than various collections of molecules with no purpose than we can,at present, know.I saw a preacher say this morning that "god" created the universe (and humans,I guess) to "witness HIS glory". What a crock of shit. First,because we like/need something and/or it pleases us,we pronounce it "beautiful". Then,in our ancient ignorance of what the universe really is, we conclude that it had to be created by a god that is also "beautiful" and "glorious". Circular,self-serving logic that leads nowhere. Certainly not to knowledge.

23 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:00 pm

rosco 357


Veteran
well every one know my believes, a couple of things first. true some news articles do not have the facts before posting,, a good example is the captain held by the pirates,, alot of details leaked out on the tv, and i heard on tv the seals took head shots, which they did.i never saw that it in a half dozen articles, but ofcourse they did. but what im getting at is one article said he jumped over board for the second time,as he did the other nite,, and then the shots were fired,i think his hands may have been tied i heard but not sure,,, i dont think that was the case that he jumped ship again, as on tv they were saying after the shots he probably hit the deck as low as he could go. alot of the time the first articles out mislead or dont have all the info they should and are later clarified, so dont rush news events as to the first , as always a good journalist, i think have 2 good sources before they report anything, but ofcourse ppl make mistakes, but it does not take long before the nitty gritty details come out, sometimes in press conferences on many things like hospitals officials hold those, on a persons condition, BUT im writing this, as it confuses me very much and concerns me is this quote of urs, gypsy wrote" yes i believe in god, and some of the bible" this will be my only talk about this no matter what is said. and no further response, take care

24 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:05 pm

gypsy


Moderator
Rosco i believe in all the bible that was an error~ i will always believe in God and the bible~ and this is my last post ~ on this~ whatever i say is taken wrong anyway~hope you had a good Easter~ all my company just left ~

25 Re: have you noticed? on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:09 pm

SSC


Admin
gypsy wrote:I am not discrediting anything, I believe most news,especially if filmed,..
my point is, if one is not there then we have to rely on what is reported.
yes i believe in god, and some of the bible, i agree man wrote it,and what they saw or witnessed, was put in their on words~

also another point i am making is the opinion speculation of analyst on what hasn't happened yet ,like the plans incorporated~about the stimulus and obama as president~
I do not believe only what i c/p I look at every angle
what i am saying is unless one is there for real, like in your life or mine or anyone on here~ they have no idea what occurs~ or takes place~

This is the whole quote from Gypsy.. I would have respected you more had you stuck to the original post. But back slidding is a common christian practice.

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