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SSC


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Just the very smallest clue any of these detainees have ties to those involved in 9-11 should be enough for you Gypsy to realize these are dangerous criminals. You act as if the on going war was the only one to ever take place, have you forgotten WW-1..WW-2.. Viet-Nam..all came with a price in prisoner interrogation. Face it Gypsy it is part of ALL wars not just your pet peeve of the one going on now. You say you have family that are veterans, did you support their wars or did you become one of many who turned their backs on our soldiers and protested. If waterboarding bothers you, then you couldn't handle knowing what really went on during Viet-Nam.

gypsy


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SSC I supported WW1 And 2 but not the Vietnam war or the Iraq war.. I think we had no business in the last two~ I do support our troops they are following orders, and they did volunteer..as I said what guarantee is there,if other countries take them that they will be watched and detained? I think try them,charge them and put the ones to death who are guilty~how would one know, and if they are POW then they have the right to be sit free if we win the war.according to the Geneva convention, right?
it is a problem and this is a good discussion~ it is a very real problem,I do agree with that~

gypsy


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SSC wrote:Just the very smallest clue any of these detainees have ties to those involved in 9-11 should be enough for you Gypsy to realize these are dangerous criminals. You act as if the on going war was the only one to ever take place, have you forgotten WW-1..WW-2.. Viet-Nam..all came with a price in prisoner interrogation. Face it Gypsy it is part of ALL wars not just your pet peeve of the one going on now. You say you have family that are veterans, did you support their wars or did you become one of many who turned their backs on our soldiers and protested. If waterboarding bothers you, then you couldn't handle knowing what really went on during Viet-Nam.

the number one person who needs caught is Bin laden, and put to death~

SSC


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Please explain to me what makes one war different from another ?? War is war ..people die or are maimed in all the wars. If you support the soldiers participating in a war not of your choice, those who wrote a blank check to the US for the sum up to and including their life, then how can you not support the military confrontation, is it not in the name of humanity and freedom of those oppressed buy dictators. Without our support any resemblance of freedom would be null and void.

As far as another country taking the detainees from Git-mo I would truly hope they make the decision to swiftly terminate their lives, thus eliminating the chance for them to return to a life of killing innocent people.

Bin-Laden is a dead man in good time, his latest video shows him as ailing and isolated, all good things come to those who wait and he will die in good time, but his followers are the truly dangerous ones , the ones who infiltrate the safety we enjoy here. Carry out the terrorists acts and take away our own security, such as the detainees in Git-Mo

gypsy


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I don't have to explain,those are my thoughts ,my freedom..
all wars are bad in its form, but some are necessary~some aren't ,and the vietnam war was not solved so far the Iraq war is still going and not won..I feel I have already,explained.. as I said the war against Hitler was a just war so was world war 1, but Vietnam and iraq war is,was not` except what I said earlier for the oppressed people, it is good to free them ,and give them a democracy.. but only time will tell if that happens.. and if they don't revert back~~ I have discussed this topic all I am going to`.it has been a good discussion though..

SSC


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Exit stage left as usual Gypsy....if you want a discussion don't bail out when the rebuttal gets a little deep for you.
Being a wife of a Viet-Nam veteran I know all to well what the actions of people like yourself did to the moral of our servicemen and women in your lack of support. Jane Fonda must be your roll model.
Now end of my discussion. I can see why Meemoon was so vocal, it is called pure and utter frustration at uncompromising stubborness.

gypsy


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well SSC, I do not support Jane Fonda, and I think it deplorable the way our veterans were treated from Vietnam. my brothers,brother in law are veterans from that era. the government is who treated them bad..I am not bailing out, i just feel there is no more use for words about it, u have your thought,opinion. I can't change yours, you can't change mine,but we can respect each others

I do hope this war does end up being for a good cause..

A discussion , gives no one the right to call some one with different ideas names~ thank you for giving a good discussion I respect you,and your husband and all vets, but most of them from the Vietnam era say it was not a necessary war.,nor was anything solved..I know I said I was through,discussing, but if I don't agree,with you, or decline to discuss farther, it will not stay a good discussion`

SSC


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Gypsy you generalize to much when you comment on the volume of those who might possibly agree with your statements and or opinions. If you want to say most veterans felt it was not a useful war...post the percentages to back up your statement. That gives more credibility to YOUR statement.

I am not so sure it was the government who treated them badly, more like the cat-shit throwing whacko's at airports who greeted then on their return flights, or burned their draft cards and the American flags .
My husband has had excellent medical treatment for years in the VA system, always a step above private care.

34 Dumbassetry on Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:46 am

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I posted this at my site earlier: "I am totally convinced that the ubitiqiuos (sp)presence of the compurer and hand calculators in the classroom are the cause of our young people's miserable performance in scholastic tests.What's worse,there are those of my and your generation who accept Google as a substitute for established knowledge. I "google" myself,but I READ. A lot. That doesn't guarantee that I am any better informed than anyone else,of course,but I submit that to select that which is relevant and useful at Google needs a solid informational base. All too often,people depend on word of mouth, urban myth, and rumor as information. Not so. If Sally says Jimmy killed a hundred people with a death ray, we know that by the time an idiotic notion like this gets around,we can look up corroboration on Google and make a case that such an event actually took place.At present,an old (censored by me) "friend" of ours is posting at Tyler's that she can't wait until Bush is prosectuded for "his war crimes"? What war crimes? Bush's severest critics agree that he operated within the law, but I have seen more than one website claiming Bush committed "war crimes".I had,in the past,another "friend" of ours hint that I must be queer because I referred to myself as a "divorcee'" (div-vor-say).Why? Because the nitwit looked up "divorcee" on the internet and read a definition that said divorcees are women.My mistake? I actually used a Websters' dictionary to get my definition." /// I still maintain that those who engage in rumor and "pop" opinion mongering without checking the FACTS are guilty of dumbassetry.

runawayhorses


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Google is just a search engine that uses the keywords you enter into it to find relevant websites, like "Websters Dictionary" or any News site in the world (CNN, CBS, FOX, etc). It finds relevant sites that contains the keywords you entered into it.

Websters 'online' dictionary is far superior to the books becuase it is constantly updated, as old books are not, until they make another book. Websters Online Dictionary is updated 'immediately' which in my opinion makes it far superior than the books. The same can be said for other dictionary publications, as well.

Google is only a search engine to find relevant sites to the keywords you put into it, it does an excellent job at finding relevant sites, and is not meant to be or considered anything more than a site directory/finder. To suggest that its purpose is to be a "Fact Finder" would not be correct in its function or design. The sites it comes up with in your search results, are of course left up to you to decide if they are actually relevant to the keywords or not. Google can come up with "CNN News" and "Johns Porno House" and everything in between, including this forum. The better the 'quality' of your keywords is, will improve your search results and its relevancy.

Google, in this capacity in which I speak of, is just a search engine of sites, nothing more, nothing less.

btw, "dumbassetry" is not in any dictionary that I know of, but I'm guessing you already know that.

runawayhorses


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meemoon wrote:I had,in the past,another "friend" of ours hint that I must be queer because I referred to myself as a "divorcee'" (div-vor-say).Why? Because the nitwit looked up "divorcee" on the internet and read a definition that said divorcees are women.My mistake? I actually used a Websters' dictionary to get my definition."
For the record just so everyone understands, I'd like to point out that this statement by Moon was not a conversation he ever had with me, it was obviously someone else, but I''d like to make it clear that it was not me he is making reference to in that message.

gypsy


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in response to SSC on my stubbornness and bringing statistics to this discussion, I can say that right back to you~ I have read many documents,heard many news casts have many word of mouth, but if I did post these it wouldn't be enough,there would always be something like oh that is just rumor or blog or just some news,writings, not credible.

I suggest you investigate all the changes trying to be injected by the existing administration to protect(himself) and administration against charges of "War Crimes" also a host of interviews with the president elect on how the investigations will be conducted of past laws being broken of the Geneva convention.

I know I said I would refrain from farther discussion, but it must be said that future government officials refrain from illegal practices during war..or any other time..as Obama stated no one should be above the law..

also on the dumbass expression is it really a word? I can't find it in my Websters? it is two words written like this dumb ass

SSC


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If Bush was to be charged with war crimes ( which will never happen, sorry Gypsy) they might as well take the majority of service men and women and line them up to. This is just wishful thinking on your part as a blue blood BUSH BASHER.

Meemoon love the word, I think it falls in the catagory of alot of southern slang not in Websters, but we know the meaning. Glad to see you here, love your input !! cheers

SSC


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in response to SSC on my stubbornness and bringing statistics to this discussion, I can say that right back to you~
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Gypsy of course you can try and turn it back to me , only difference is I don't try to include the population of the US in proving a point. My points are my own , I don't need backup.

gypsy


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I didn't include the population` I said most I have talked to that has served, in other words, family, friends.. also SSC i know these charges will never be brought against the Bush administration,he has protected himself and money talks`but I think ut should all go down in history~
also it would not be what Obama is wanting to do, the most important thing is getting our country back on track..
a quote from Bush in his fair well speech when about not finding WMD's? I find it disappointing he said.. Wow!

gypsy


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and SSC why wouldn't you need back up? your views/opinions are 100% written in stone? the discussion is on our views not complete fact, how we interpret something, right?
and when I say most people/veterans, I don't mean all, just most I know..
as far as a "Bush Basher",(me)I do agree!! :) I totally dislike the man, and the reflection,aura he displays..

SSC


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Gypsy if you google war crimes putting each presidents name after it, you will find Clinton, Bush Sr. Bush Jr. J. F Kennedy Tony Blair and a host of others over the years that some nut case is calling for charges to be brought against them.

gypsy


Moderator
ahh yes,
and isn't that just what you said was not statistics?(google) we are talking about present,(now) the incumbent from each of those should have investigated~prior incidents evidently those have been solved do we have any Vietnam(pow)camps still going?
these detainees(Git-m0) have been there through the bush regime he is leaving office so this needs to be solved/investigated try them, punish them ,or set them free. I agree that bush isn't the only one~ this is now, what we are discussing.
no matter, our debating will not solve these problems, but it is interesting to know others input and thoughts~

SSC


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We are talking war crimes, you want to key in on Bush , what I am saying your biased opinion is not opening the door to the fact he is but one in a long line of presidents and national figures to be questioned about war crimes. It isn't like it started 8 years ago.

runawayhorses


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Now see, I just learned what SSC's signature says by googling it..lol "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" is a Cajun expression meaning "Let the good times roll!" It speaks to the "joie de vivre" ("joy of living") important to the culture.

SSC


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Very good Tyler, the phrase is used year round but mostly during the Mardi Gras season which is upon us now.

gypsy


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SSc Of course I key in now,we are living in this era,now. I said I agree with things that went on in other regimes, evidently those are solved~ I could care less if he(bush) is charged .. I guess things are more noticed in this time frame than it use to be.
anyway I have exhausted my thoughts,feelings,on the subject~I say goodbye to the Bush era~

runawayhorses


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SSC wrote:Very good Tyler, the phrase is used year round but mostly during the Mardi Gras season which is upon us now.
Thanks, well yeah, its French actually adopted by the Cajun's. Nevertheless I had to google it..

SSC


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I use google alot also, but going back to Moons statement I do agree kids are taking the easy way out with computers. Hopefully todays teachers will still stress the ancient art of looking up in a book materials needed.

runawayhorses


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SSC wrote:I use google alot also, but going back to Moons statement I do agree kids are taking the easy way out with computers. Hopefully todays teachers will still stress the ancient art of looking up in a book materials needed.
The problem I have with that theory is, I can't find any disadvantages about taking the easy way out using computers, I only see advantages, and see no advantage in having to look up material in a book. It gives you quicker access to the material (if available) and even more material than you could from a book, becuase the computer gives you the ability to expand on the issues if needed and read even more material. I think computers serve as a very powerful tool in education, but yes, its nice to see people use the books also, nothing wrong with that.

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