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1 Warner Music pulls videos from YouTube on Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:04 pm

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Warner Music pulls videos from YouTube
Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:00pm EST
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Warner Music Group ordered YouTube on Saturday to remove all music videos by its artists from the popular online video-sharing site after contract negotiations broke down.

The order could affect hundreds of thousands of videos clips, as it covers Warner Music's recorded artists as well as the rights for songs published by its Warner/Chappell unit, which includes many artists not signed to Warner Music record labels.

The talks fell apart early on Saturday because Warner wants a bigger share of the huge revenue potential of YouTube's massive visitor traffic. There were no reports on what Warner was seeking.

"We simply cannot accept terms that fail to appropriately and fairly compensate recording artists, songwriters, labels and publishers for the value they provide," Warner said in a statement.

YouTube is hugely popular, with more than 100 million viewers in the United States alone in October, according to comScore, a Web audience measurement firm.

Warner Music, home to artists including Red Hot Chili Peppers and rapper T.I., was the first major media company to negotiate a deal with YouTube in 2006. Its executives believe that deal gave the site legitimacy in the eyes of search giant Google Inc (GOOG.O) which bought it soon after for $1.65 billion.

As part of the original 2006 negotiation, Warner, Universal Music and Sony Music all took small stakes in YouTube pre-acquisition and profited when the Google acquisition closed.

The music companies typically get paid a share of any advertising revenue associated with the video and a per-play payment for every video viewed. The per-play fee is usually a fraction of a penny and with millions visiting YouTube everyday it was all expected to add up to a substantial amount.

But a source familiar with Warner Music's talks said the amounts it has been receiving from YouTube were "staggeringly low".

YouTube representatives did not immediately return calls for comment.

YouTube executives have spent most of 2008 stepping up efforts to develop revenue streams on the site partly in a bid to keep content partners happy. It has been in long negotiations with Warner on how best to split revenues until things came to a head in talks on Friday.

"Despite our constant efforts, it isn't always possible to maintain their innovative agreements," YouTube said in a statement on its blog about difficulties of music licensing. "Sometimes, if we can't reach acceptable business terms, we must part ways with successful partners."

YouTube also has agreements with Vivendi's (VIV.PA) Universal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment and EMI Music. Warner's move could see them also making tough demands for higher fees.

The demands could leave YouTube in a difficult position as it tries to balance the need to pay a reasonable fee to content partners, including TV and movie companies, and also generate enough return on the substantial investment needed to keep streaming millions of videos around the world.

(Reporting by Yinka Adegoke; Editing by Doina Chiacu)

2 Re: Warner Music pulls videos from YouTube on Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:05 am



3 Re: Warner Music pulls videos from YouTube on Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:54 pm


I hope they eventually find a way to work together, I guess it all boils down to money, just like everything else.

It seems to me YouTube is buying their members rights to upload copyrighted material, kinda like hush money so the rightful owners (record companies, news stations etc) will turn their backs and ignore it instead of asking YouTube to remove the videos..

4 Re: Warner Music pulls videos from YouTube on Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:52 am


Warner is also pulling 16 channels off some cable companies, including MTV, Spike and several other popular sites.

5 Re: Warner Music pulls videos from YouTube on Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:46 am


Warner is acting like they don't want to be in the broadcasting business anymore. Pulling channels off of cable companies doesn't stop people from downloading it if it is published someplace else, so it accomplishes very little. What a bunch of sniffling cry babies. I guess they aren't making as many millions as they think they deserve so are taking their ball and going home now.

The fact is you can't stop people from downloading and uploading music or video becuase computers can do anything, and the general public runs the computers. There are thousands of software programs designed to download music and video, and major businesses are manufacturing them, and YouTube promotes the sells of these programs.

They will have to accept that their material once published to TV or wherever, is free game to computers. I don't have the answer on how to stop people from using copyrighted material, I don't think there is one, but what I do know is, if they don't like it they are shit out of luck. Maybe they should get out of the business altogether becuase they will never stop it. Big businesses like YouTube are promoting that kind of activity by supporting software made for downloading video and providing a place to upload it. YouTube then turns around and ridiculously disclaims that kind of activity with there "posted notices" telling people to not upload copyrighted material. We all know, and they know it too, if people obeyed that rule YouTube would be out of business, so with that understood we can safely assume they want people to do it anyway just like they do now, and thats why they are paying the rightful owners of these videos to look the other way. Businesses like Warner want more money as usual, a bunch of sniffling cry baby billionaire they are.

6 Re: Warner Music pulls videos from YouTube on Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:41 pm


The issue with Warner was settled with cable companies over pulling the channels but not sure about UTube.

7 Re: Warner Music pulls videos from YouTube on Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:05 pm


Oh they will settle one way or the other its just a "money" issue as always. Everyone has their price.

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