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rosco 357


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hey this is me, i know most here dont believe in the bible or a God, but try if u can to see through what u dont believe and what obama believes, its a hard read for some i know, my appologies to many who dont believe , i sent it for the politics of it, thanks,



Before you read this article, PLEASE be assured that it is

> true ... please check out
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/Huntley-Brown-Obama.htm
or
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/huntleybrown.asp
> ..

> Subject:
>
> I wanted to send this article from Huntley Brown - a
> fabulous concert pianist, a man of God and a black man. I
> appreciate so much his reasoning for not voting for Obama. I
> would like to see his article published or spread out via
> Email to as many as possible. It ' s good stuff!
>
>
> Why I Can ' t Vote For Obama
> By Huntley Brown
>
> Dear Friends, A few months ago I was asked for my
> perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points.
> With the election just around the corner I decided to
> complete my perspective Those of you on my e-list have seen
> some of this before but it ' s worth repeating...
>
> First I must say whoever wins the election will have my
> prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his
> accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be
> voting for him.
>
> Many of my friends process their identity through their
> blackness. I process my identity through Christ. Being a
> Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can
> ' t dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.
>
> I can ' t vote black because I am black; I have to vote
> Christian because that ' s who I am Christian first,
> black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic
> groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won
> ' t be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if
> I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
>
> In an election there are many issues to consider but when a
> society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic
> stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong
> economic concerns will soon not matter.
>
> We need to follow Martin Luther King ' s words, don
> ' t judge someone by the color of their skin but by the
> content of their character. I don ' t know Obama so all
> I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned
> him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate
> in 2007.
>
> NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007
> (01/31/2008)
>
> To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal
> senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2
> short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had
> four years to work with.
>
> There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 %
> rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports
> him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas
> etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate
> liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he
> voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he
> voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.
> There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth
> abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming
> Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are
> conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth
> abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.
>
> Let ' s take a look at the practice he wanted to
> continue
>
> The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:
>
> A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby
> ' s leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)
> B. The baby ' s leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
>
> C. The abortionist delivers the baby ' s entire body,
> except for the head.
> D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby ' s
> skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
> E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is
> inserted. The child ' s brains are sucked out, causing
> the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
>
> God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental
> notification law.
>
> Think about this: You can ' t give a kid an aspirin
> without parental notification but that same kid can have an
> abortion without parental notification. This is insane.
>
> There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright ' s church
> for 20 years.
>
> Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under
> Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning
> Wright ' s sermons. I wonder why now?
>
> Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and
> discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us
> in Matthew 28:19 - 20 "Go and make disciples of all
> nations." This means reproduce yourself. Teach people
> to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what
> you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah
> Wright teach him?
>
> Would you support a White President who went to a church
> which has tenets that said they have a ...
>
> 1. Commitment to the White Community
> 2. Commitment to the White Family
> 3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
> 4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired
> skills available to the White Community.
> 5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal
> Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White
> Institutions
> 6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse
> and embrace the White Value System
> 7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value
> System.
>
> Would you support a President who went to a church like
> that?
>
> Just change the word from white to black and you have the
> tenets of Obama ' s former church. If President Bush
> was a member of a church like this, he would be called a
> racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been
> marching outside.
>
> This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake
> up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist
> church. The church can ' t be about race. Jesus did
> not come for any particular race. He came for the whole
> world.
>
> A church can ' t have a value system based on race. The
> churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate.
> It does not matter if itʼs a white church or a black
> church it ' s still wrong. Anyone from either race that
> attends a church like this would never get my vote.
>
> Obama ' s former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple
> of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A
> Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: "Black
> theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified
> totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not
> for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and
> we had better kill him.
>
> Cone is the man Obama ' s mentor looks up to. Does
> Obama believe this?
>
> So what does all this mean for the nation?
>
> In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs
> of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.
>
> Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God
> says in 1 Samuel 1:9 "Now listen to them; but warn them
> solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over
> them will do."
>
> Then God says
>
> 1 Samuel 1:18 " When that day comes, you will cry out
> for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will
> not answer you in that day." 19 But the people refused
> to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We
> want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other
> nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and
> fight our battles." 21 When Samuel heard all that the
> people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD
> answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."
>
> Here is what we know for sure.
>
> God is not schizophrenic
>
> He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to
> vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided
> against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are
> not hearing from God.
>
> Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not
> change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture
> so I doubt it.
>
> For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really
> look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I
> am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the
> genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have
> to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am
> sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making
> laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to
> push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom
> and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way
> because of the economy.
>
> I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama ' s
> positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal
> friends.
>
> Since we know someone ' s value system has to be placed
> on the nation,
>
> 1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation.
>
> 2. Who should determine that this is the right value
> system for the nation?
>
> Blessings, Huntley Brown
>
>
> Denise F. Allen
> 221 Edwards Drive
> Anderson, SC 29626
> Home-864-224-0710
> Cell-864-617-9230

gypsy


Moderator
I am going to be the first and say this is hogwash..

yes it may be true he wrote this, but I see it as one mans opinon that is all. i think most Americans do not believe those accusations against Obama, I would have to view the voting in the senate Brown claimed occurred. like I said I think it is one mans opinion.. funny that eight( yearsRep Prez )has not changed the things occurring in this country 12 years(more) of Republicans ruling house/senate has not stopped abortion,same sex marriages..etc..

I would have to see the articles of Obama voting this, sorry, again I say Hogwash..

3 lol on Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:18 pm

rosco 357


Veteran
well since most ur stuff is hogwash u should know, and ofcourse its one mans opinion,,but obama believe in this way, and he listened to rev wright for 20 years till it became a politcal liability then he dumped him, does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

runawayhorses


Owner
I agree rosco, I also think the people that claim to be Christian and if they are true to their belief should consider those things, its clear he goes against the Christian traditions and beliefs, for example the celebration of Jesus Christ "Christmas", how anyone who claims to be Christian can vote for him I'd like to know how they can justify it. Personally it doesn't matter to me, but I admittedly do find it disturbing and would prefer the president celebrated Christmas, it seems like a nice thing to do if you know what I mean, but whoever can get the job done would get my vote. But Obama may celebrate it now I don't know, but its known he didn't use to. That's just a small issue but worth mentioning for all the Christians I would think.

What about you Gypsy does it bother you he doesn't like Christmas and will it influence your vote?

gypsy


Moderator
Well Tyler where does it say truthfully he doesn't celebrate Christmas? so many of those tapes that Rosco put are doctored, I noticed it wasn't backed with truth facts?? or snops
I also have heard Obama speak of his belief in Jesus, so that in my mind tells me he celebrates the birth of Jesus~
the Republicans are pulling out all the dirty tactics,like they haven't done enough dirt smearing ..

yes i am the only one here on this board who supports Obama~ and i think most of America believe in him even republicans have denounced McCain, I will say this whoever wins i pray for them and hope they turn this country around to the best again~
Obama/Biden08

runawayhorses


Owner
Obama stated in an interview in People magazine that he does not give his kids birthday presents or Christmas presents.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20221617,00.html

Heres other videos about that issue and Obama speaking about the bible.




SSC


Admin
Gypsy you keep saying ..most of Americans believe in Obama yet the polls are showing a totally different story, the numbers are getting closer daily so if the trend continues to election day then half of the Americans do not believe in Obama. You can't deny his ties to some very shady radical connections, his 20 years in Rev. Wrights church , then to denounce him when the public eye was casted on him, why didn't he maintain his faith ? Just like his Muslim faith ????? Obama has a few good ideas but if he stays to the Dem. pattern after the election middle class taxes will go up just as Clinton did 26 days after he took office The man has to many skeletons in his closet Rev Manning has disclosed on major news networks many flaws on Obama, Manning hasn't been silenced nor sued so that says he is not lying.

gypsy


Moderator
these are all untrue.. on this I went to truth and snop, which said this was untrue.. I posted those findings on here in one of these topics~ I can do it again, but I see no use~ you will believe what you want, just as I will`..

rosco 357


Veteran
gypsy wrote:I am going to be the first and say this is hogwash..

yes it may be true he wrote this, but I see it as one mans opinon that is all. i think most Americans do not believe those accusations against Obama, I would have to view the voting in the senate Brown claimed occurred. like I said I think it is one mans opinion.. funny that eight( yearsRep Prez )has not changed the things occurring in this country 12 years(more) of Republicans ruling house/senate has not stopped abortion,same sex marriages..etc..

I would have to see the articles of Obama voting this, sorry, again I say Hogwash..
i have not checked and may be wrong but think same sex marriage is a state issue,
abortion has been ruled legal by roe vs wade , thats why the big deal on new supreme court judges, so that roe vs wade is not overturned, now with partial birth abortions, when clinton was in , it was passed to stop it, but clinton vetoed it, as i recall , but he had a reason, he would have not vetoed it if it had a clause the partial birth abortion would go forward incases of the mothers health, but the conservatives in congress, would not put in that clause, because they thought drs would just find a way to make it or word the procedure as to protect the mother, so it was partial birth abortions would stop in all cases, and clinton, vetoed it, and the republicans did nto not have what, i think 2/3 to overturn a veto, now this is pure memory, but i think its true, i do for sure remember clinton saying he would have signed it if it had the health of the mother in the law, but ur saying hogwash, to this mans opinion of what we know what would jesus do, i know u believe the woman has the right to choose, but this man just was saying do u think that is what Jesus thinks is the correct thing, as i know the bible says ," i knew u before u were born" but anyways, its about what he feels is the correct thing acording to scripture, so becareful it sounds like ur saying scripture is hogwash, if u read his letter, but i know most dont believe in the bible or jesus ,, as the son of God, so im not pushing that, i just posted thiis mans opinion acording to how he feel by scripture, i think tyler expressed it well without having to believe , of how it would be if u believed, anyway i think tyler got it right, but i have not read it in a while i will go back and read tylers, but i think it was good,

rosco 357


Veteran
runawayhorses wrote:Obama stated in an interview in People magazine that he does not give his kids birthday presents or Christmas presents.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20221617,00.html

Heres other videos about that issue and Obama speaking about the bible.





OH MAN now i dont know if OBama is a muslim or a Jehovahs witness,lol i worked with one of those they dont celebrate, birthdays, or any holiday, will not serve in the arm forces, will not be on jury duty, this guy was high up in it as he married ppl, he was a millwright , in the dept i was in i was tool and die,

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