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1 Biden's Coal Slaw on Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:16 am

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The classic definition of a gaffe is when a politician accidentally tells the truth, and specialists like Joe Biden can work wonders with the form. On Tuesday Barack Obama's running mate blew an easy question about coal, revealing volumes about liberal energy politics.

Working the rope line in Maumee, Ohio, the Senator was asked by an environmentalist why he and Mr. Obama support "clean coal." "We're not supporting clean coal," Mr. Biden responded. Then, riffing on China's breakneck construction of new coal plants, he continued, "No coal plants here in America. Build them, if they're going to build them, over there."

Coal happens to be the indispensable workhorse of the U.S. power system, providing about 50% of the country's electricity. Many Democrats nonetheless despise coal -- because of pollution before the era of scrubbers, but especially now because of carbon emissions. Al Gore favors an outright moratorium on coal-fired power in the name of climate change. Meanwhile, any scheme to tax and regulate carbon -- like the cap-and-trade program backed by Mr. Obama and John McCain -- would hit coal first and hardest, effectively banishing it from the U.S. energy mix.

Mr. Biden, then, only stated an obvious if politically unutterable truth. The real costs of green ambitions won't be paid by well-heeled coastal liberals, but will fall disproportionately on the Southern and Midwestern states that depend on coal for jobs and power. The blue-collar voters of Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia and so forth will get hurt most -- notwithstanding Mr. Biden's campaign reinvention as the scrapper from Scranton.

As for "clean coal," the Obama campaign actually supports it. But this too is a political bait-and-switch, perhaps explaining Mr. Biden's confusion. In theory, clean coal would require capturing greenhouse gas emissions, compressing them into liquid and then pumping it underneath the earth. Even if the technology were ready for commercial deployment tomorrow, to sequester just 25% of yearly U.S. CO2 emissions would mean moving volumes more than twice as large as the world's current oil pipeline system can handle. That will require an enormous amount of money, and generations to build.

That an eminence like Mr. Biden is clueless about coal suggests how little official Washington has thought through the consequences of its anticarbon agenda. His blunder is also notable because it exposed the realities that politicians prefer not to voice amid an election campaign. Coal-state voters should be watching what their politicians really have planned for them come January.

2 Re: Biden's Coal Slaw on Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:39 am

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I only have one thing to say about 'Clean Coal Technology', I support it simply because it means Jobs for WV Citizens. Jobs that otherwise wouldn't be available in this severly depressed state.


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3 Re: Biden's Coal Slaw on Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:41 pm

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Moose wrote:I only have one thing to say about 'Clean Coal Technology', I support it simply because it means Jobs for WV Citizens. Jobs that otherwise wouldn't be available in this severly depressed state.

if im not mistaken ,here in alabama, coal is the main source of electricity, from alabama power, parts of the state get TVA power, i do at the lake,,tva use to use browns ferry nuclear plant, it closed i think, it may have opened but im not sure, im not that far from a alabama power steam plant, well i am but u can see the towers in the distance from certain places on the road when driving, other than that we have hydro power, the more hydro power we use the cheeper the power, but like when we have the drought, they dont pull much or any water from the lake im on,or lots of the lakes, its power generating lakes,its funny ,, im on an alabama power made lake, but up there they get power from TVA , tennessee valley authority,,, but alabama has lots of coal, but underground mining is slowly leaving, like one mine, alabama power has a 40 buck a ton price in a contract, but it cost like 300 bucks to get the coal, so when that contract runs out, alabama power will not pay that and buy it from somewhere else,, i think they get some from south america but i need to reasearch it, so dont trust what i said, and i hear u moose on the jobs,,

4 Re: Biden's Coal Slaw on Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:23 pm

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Moose wrote:I only have one thing to say about 'Clean Coal Technology', I support it simply because it means Jobs for WV Citizens. Jobs that otherwise wouldn't be available in this severly depressed state.

Moose I hear ya, I know what it means to have a state depend on any type of source of income.

5 Re: Biden's Coal Slaw on Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:44 pm

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Clean Coal Technology is a HUGE topic here considering that Coal is our biggest profitable resource in this state and it keeps a large number of the hillbillies in beer and gas for their pickup trucks. If not for the coal fields this state would be destitute.


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6 Re: Biden's Coal Slaw on Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:02 am

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A few years back i was working a rail road job from Champagne Ill. to Athens Ohio, we stayed in Princeton Ind. for 6 weeks, out side of town was the Black Beauty coal mine, I was lucky enough to get the grand tour, that was the most amazing place and the pressure to be a clean coal site was very apparent there.

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