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76 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:19 am

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SSC wrote:"Whatever you give a woman, she's going to multiply. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby.
If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.
If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.
So - if you give her any crap, you will receive a ton of shit."


cheers

In politics, if you want anything said, ask a man;
if you want anything done, ask a woman.

- Margaret Thatcher

77 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:16 pm

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FIGI wrote:
SSC wrote:"Whatever you give a woman, she's going to multiply. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby.
If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.
If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.
So - if you give her any crap, you will receive a ton of shit."


cheers

In politics, if you want anything said, ask a man;
if you want anything done, ask a woman.



- Margaret Thatcher

yes as i have posted here, margaret thatcher, who was one i said i admire had to do some nudging on george bush when kuwait was invaded,

78 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:35 am

gypsy


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Margaret Thatcher Quotes
Date of birth:
1925
Nationality:
English

Margaret Thatcher



A world without nuclear weapons would be less stable and more dangerous for all of us.
Margaret Thatcher

Any woman who understands the problems of running a home will be nearer to understanding the problems of running a country.
Margaret Thatcher

Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.
Margaret Thatcher

Being prime minister is a lonely job... you cannot lead from the crowd.
Margaret Thatcher

Democratic nations must try to find ways to starve the terrorist and the hijacker of the oxygen of publicity on which they depend.
Margaret Thatcher

Disciplining yourself to do what you know is right and importance, although difficult, is the highroad to pride, self-esteem, and personal satisfaction.
Margaret Thatcher

Europe was created by history. America was created by philosophy.
Margaret Thatcher

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.
Margaret Thatcher

I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.
Margaret Thatcher

I am in politics because of the conflict between good and evil, and I believe that in the end good will triumph.
Margaret Thatcher

I do not know anyone who has got to the top without hard work. That is the recipe. It will not always get you to the top, but should get you pretty near.
Margaret Thatcher

I don't mind how much my Ministers talk, so long as they do what I say.
Margaret Thatcher

I just owe almost everything to my father and it's passionately interesting for me that the things that I learned in a small town, in a very modest home, are just the things that I believe have won the election.
Margaret Thatcher

I like Mr Gorbachev, we can do business together.
Margaret Thatcher

I love argument, I love debate. I don't expect anyone just to sit there and agree with me, that's not their job.
Margaret Thatcher

I owe nothing to Women's Lib.
Margaret Thatcher

I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.
Margaret Thatcher

I usually make up my mind about a man in ten seconds, and I very rarely change it.
Margaret Thatcher

I'm extraordinarily patient provided I get my own way in the end.
Margaret Thatcher

I've got a woman's ability to stick to a job and get on with it when everyone else walks off and leaves it.
Margaret Thatcher

If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn't swim.
Margaret Thatcher

If you just set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing.
Margaret Thatcher

If you lead a country like Britain, a strong country, a country which has taken a lead in world affairs in good times and in bad, a country that is always reliable, then you have to have a touch of iron about you.
Margaret Thatcher

If you set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing.
Margaret Thatcher

If you want anything said, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman.
Margaret Thatcher

If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman.
Margaret Thatcher

If you want to cut your own throat, don't come to me for a bandage.
Margaret Thatcher

In politics, if you want anything said, ask a man; if you want anything done, ask a woman.
Margaret Thatcher

It is not the creation of wealth that is wrong, but the love of money for its own sake.
Margaret Thatcher

It may be the cock that crows, but it is the hen that lays the eggs.
Margaret Thatcher

It pays to know the enemy - not least because at some time you may have the opportunity to turn him into a friend.
Margaret Thatcher

It's a funny old world.
Margaret Thatcher

It's passionately interesting for me that the things that I learned in a small town, in a very modest home, are just the things that I believe have won the election.
Margaret Thatcher

No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions; he had money as well.
Margaret Thatcher

No woman in my time will be prime minister or chancellor or foreign secretary - not the top jobs. Anyway, I wouldn't want to be prime minister; you have to give yourself 100 percent.
Margaret Thatcher

No woman in my time will be Prime Minister or Chancellor or Foreign Secretary, not the top jobs. Anyway I wouldn't want to be Prime Minister. You have to give yourself 100%.
Margaret Thatcher

Nothing is more obstinate than a fashionable consensus.
Margaret Thatcher

Of course it's the same old story. Truth usually is the same old story.
Margaret Thatcher

One of the things being in politics has taught me is that men are not a reasoned or reasonable sex.
Margaret Thatcher

Ought we not to ask the media to agree among themselves a voluntary code of conduct, under which they would not say or show anything which could assist the terrorists' morale or their cause while the hijack lasted.
Margaret Thatcher

Pennies do not come from heaven. They have to be earned here on earth.
Margaret Thatcher

People think that at the top there isn't much room. They tend to think of it as an Everest. My message is that there is tons of room at the top.
Margaret Thatcher

Plan your work for today and every day, then work your plan.
Margaret Thatcher

Platitudes? Yes, there are platitudes. Platitudes are there because they are true.
Margaret Thatcher

Power is like being a lady... if you have to tell people you are, you aren't.
Margaret Thatcher

Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.
Margaret Thatcher

The battle for women's rights has been largely won.
Margaret Thatcher

There are still people in my party who believe in consensus politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors... I mean it.
Margaret Thatcher

There can be no liberty unless there is economic liberty.
Margaret Thatcher

There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and there are families.
Margaret Thatcher

This lady is not for turning.
Margaret Thatcher

To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches.
Margaret Thatcher

To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.
Margaret Thatcher

To wear your heart on your sleeve isn't a very good plan; you should wear it inside, where it functions best.
Margaret Thatcher

We were told our campaign wasn't sufficiently slick. We regard that as a compliment.
Margaret Thatcher

What Britain needs is an iron lady.
Margaret Thatcher

What is success? I think it is a mixture of having a flair for the thing that you are doing; knowing that it is not enough, that you have got to have hard work and a certain sense of purpose.
Margaret Thatcher

You and I come by road or rail, but economists travel on infrastructure.
Margaret Thatcher

You don't tell deliberate lies, but sometimes you have to be evasive.
Margaret Thatcher

You may have to fight a battle more than once to win it.
Margaret Thatcher

79 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:47 am

gypsy


Moderator
I love this quote, it fits McCain/Palin don't talk about economy and problems ,lets turn the page and smear/attack Obama ..issue more lies, I hope Obama does not lower the bar, and smear back..which there are plenty smears out there..



I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.
Margaret Thatcher


80 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:32 am

SSC


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Any woman who understands the problems of running a home will be nearer to understanding the problems of running a country.
Margaret Thatcher

Thought this one was nicely said, I am sure Palin lives by this every day.

Lets see how Obama's terrorist buddy plays out for him.

81 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:38 am

gypsy


Moderator
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/obama-accuses-mccain-of-looking-for-distractions/October 5, 2008
Obama accuses McCain of looking for distractions
Posted: 03:54 PM ET
Sen. Obama slammed Sen. McCain's health care plan at a campaign event in North Carolina Sunday.
Sen. Obama slammed Sen. McCain's health care plan at a campaign event in North Carolina Sunday.

(CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama on Sunday charged that Sen. John McCain's campaign is launching "Swift boat-style attacks" on him instead of addressing the country's problems.

Watch: Obama fights back

"Sen. McCain and his operatives are gambling that they can distract you with smears rather than talk to you about substance. They'd rather try to tear our campaign down than lift this country up," Obama said at an event in Asheville, North Carolina.

"That's what you do when you're out of touch, out of ideas, and running out of time," he said.

The comments come a day after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, McCain's running mate, claimed that Obama associated "with terrorists who targeted our own country."

The McCain campaign shot back on Sunday, saying its accusations are "true facts," and not "smears."

"The last four weeks of this election will be about whether the American people are willing to turn our economy and national security over to Barack Obama, a man with little record, questionable judgment, and ties to radical figures like unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers," McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement.

Full story

Filed under: Barack Obama • John McCain • Sarah Palin

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Francheska Georgia October 5th, 2008 8:03 pm ET

As the saying goes "Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

The McCain/Palin camp wants to get into silly mode because they do not want to have a serious conversation about the real issues that face all Americans. Palin can't understand the issues and Mccain is too out of touch.

Anyone who says that Obama was 34 when he was Ayers living room should also say that McCain was a key figure in the Keating 5 S&L mess that cost tax payers millions when he was a senator.
ron October 5th, 2008 8:02 pm ET

Like most Americans, I have been so impressed by the celebrity, charisma and good looks of Barack. He really has a nice personally and will make fun president. I don't understand why the evil Republicans keep harping on Baracks experience, background, princples and his voting record in congress.
Rick October 5th, 2008 8:01 pm ET

Sarah Palin and John McCain are demonstrating that the Bible has a place on their shelves collecting dust and nothing more. Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 both list the 10 Commandments and in both place the 8th Commandment reads "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"

Both are guilty of this smear and McCain is a hypocrite because he was the one in 2000 who was screaming mad at Steve Schmidt and Karl Rove's tactics against him in South Carolina. I guess since McCain is now paying Steve Schmidt to do to Obama what Schmidt did to McCain's daughter 8 years ago tells me more about McCain than anything else I've seen.

The possible responses in kind against Palin and McCain are numerous but none address the real issues facing us anymore than accusing someone of consorting with folks accused of terrorism 40 years ago. Obama was 8 years old then so give it a rest as McCain and Palin only destroy their own credibility.
Sylvia October 5th, 2008 8:00 pm ET

McCain and his Bimbo running mate can't beat Obama politically so they have to come up with a smear campaign, sooooo George BUSH style. Obama is smart, honest and has a good character.The grumpy old mean man McCain should look in his own back yard if it comes to his own character. Left his first wife for a young, rich wife Cindy Hensley, after cheating repeatably on his first wife Carol. Carol who was handicapped after a car accident while he was a POW. She wasn't enough for him anymore, a cripple, it's all about image for him. He called Chelsea Clinton in 1998 UGLY. A grown man calls a little girl that, which she is far from ugly. He is the ugly one, inside and out.
David October 5th, 2008 8:00 pm ET

82 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:55 am

SSC


Admin
that's crap Gypsy..most of that is blog bullshit

83 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:57 am

gypsy


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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/obama-accuses-mccain-of-looking-for-distractions/

84 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:59 am

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Sorry I don't waste my time on blogs

85 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:08 am

gypsy


Moderator
1 PM ET
Monday the Obama campaigned rolled out a Web site and online documentary about Sen. McCain and Charles Keating.
Monday the Obama campaigned rolled out a Web site and online documentary about Sen. McCain and Charles Keating.

The Statement: The campaign for Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama on Monday, Oct. 6, unveiled a Web site noting that Republican opponent Sen. John McCain played a key role in the Senate's "Keating Five" scandal of the 1980s. "McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating with federal regulators tasked with preventing banking fraud, and championed legislation to delay regulation of the savings and loan industry — actions that allowed Keating to continue his fraud at an incredible cost to taxpayers," the site says.

Get the facts!

The Facts: Keating was sentenced to prison and required to pay more than $1 billion in civil penalties after being convicted on fraud, racketeering and conspiracy charges centered around his running of Lincoln Savings and Loan, which he bought in 1984. On April 14, 1989, Lincoln was seized by the government at an eventual taxpayer cost of $3.4 billion, then the most expensive thrift bailout in history. Lincoln and Keating became national symbols of the savings-and-loans collapse of the '80s — much as lending firms Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have symbolized the current financial meltdown.

McCain had been friends with Keating since the early '80s — their families vacationed together several times, according to previous CNN reporting. Keating was an early financial supporter of McCain's political career and donated to his campaigns repeatedly over the years. Keating's first company, American Continental, was headquartered in Arizona, the state McCain represents. McCain became one of the so-called "Keating Five" — five U.S. senators investigated over accusations they tried to interfere in a federal investigation of Keating's role in the savings-and-loan's collapse.

In January 1985, while in the U.S. House, McCain co-sponsored a resolution that would have delayed the effective date of proposed government limits "on direct investment in real estate, service corporations, and equity securities by federally insured savings and loan associations." He was one of the early sponsors, although a majority of Congress eventually signed on to sponsor it. The legislation would have impacted Keating's business, but would have regulated the entire industry, not specifically Lincoln Savings and Loan.

McCain also wrote several letters to government regulators and other officials regarding the issue. One, dated Jan. 30, 1985, to White House chief of staff James Baker, called the proposed regulations "unwise," saying the effort "flys (sic) in the face of our recent efforts to remove the hand of government from the affairs of private enterprise."

On April 9, 1987, McCain and the other senators attended a meeting with federal regulators investigating Keating. McCain has since said he regrets doing so. "He asked me to help him," he said during an October 2002 interview with Chicago's WGN-AM radio station. "I said I wouldn't do certain things. He called me a wimp. I threw him out of my office, but I still went to a meeting with four other senators with a group of regulators."

McCain testified that he never asked for anything inappropriate during the meeting, and the Senate ethics committee found that, after regulators said the firm was being investigated not just for insolvency, but on criminal grounds, McCain took no further action on Keating's behalf. In the end, the committee recommended McCain and Sen. John Glenn be dropped from the probe — although McCain was rebuked by the Senate for using "poor judgment" in his relationship with the millionaire banker.

The Verdict: True. McCain did push to delay regulations that would have cracked down on savings-and-loans practices and intervened on Keating's behalf, although he was cleared of wrongdoing in the "Keating Five" case.

Filed under: Charles Keating • Fact Check • John McCcain

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86 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:14 am

SSC


Admin
This is anything but new news...just a typical Obama attempt at a feeble smear, news stations have laughed this off the air tonight.. Try again...

87 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:27 am

gypsy


Moderator
FactCheck.org Annenberg Political Fact Check




A McCain-Palin ad has FactCheck.org calling Obama's attacks on Palin "completely false" and "misleading." That's what we said, but it wasn't about Obama.

Our article criticized anonymous e-mail falsehoods and bogus claims about Palin posted around the Internet. We have no evidence that any of the claims we found to be false came from the Obama campaign.

The McCain-Palin ad also twists a quote from a Wall Street Journal columnist. He said the Obama camp had sent a team to Alaska to "dig into her record and background." The ad quotes the WSJ as saying the team was sent to "dig dirt."

Update, Sept. 10: Furthermore, the Obama campaign insists that no researchers have been sent to Alaska and that the Journal owes them a correction.
Analysis
We don't object to people reprinting our articles. In fact, our copyright policy encourages it. But we've also asked that "the editorial integrity of the article be preserved" and told those who use our items that "you should not edit the original in such a way as to alter the message."

McCain-Palin 2008 Ad:
"Fact Check"

mccain_ad_fact_check

Announcer: The attacks on Governor Palin have been called "completely false"..."misleading."

On screen: Photo of Obama, FactCheck.org banner, "'completely false' . . . 'misleading' 9/0/08"

And, they've just begun.

The [Wall Street] Journal reports Obama "air-dropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers" into Alaska to dig dirt on Governor Palin.

As Obama drops in the polls, he'll try to destroy her.

Obama's "politics of hope"? Empty words.

McCain: I'm John McCain and I approved this message.
Less Than Honest

With its latest ad, released Sept. 10, the McCain-Palin campaign has altered our message in a fashion we consider less than honest. The ad strives to convey the message that FactCheck.org said "completely false" attacks on Gov. Sarah Palin had come from Sen. Barack Obama. We said no such thing. We have yet to dispute any claim from the Obama campaign about Palin.

They call the ad "Fact Check." It says "the attacks on Gov. Palin have been called 'completely false' ... 'misleading.' " On screen is a still photo of a grim-faced Obama. Our words are accurately quoted, but they had nothing to do with Obama.

Our article, posted two days earlier, debunked a number of false or misleading claims that have circulated in chain e-mails and Internet postings regarding Palin. There is no evidence that the Obama campaign is behind any of the wild accusations that we critiqued. There is no more basis for attributing these viral attacks to the Obama campaign than there is for blaming the McCain campaign for chain e-mail attacks falsely claiming that Obama is a Muslim, or a "racist," or that he is proposing to tax water. The anti-Palin messages, like the anti-Obama messages, have every appearance of being home-grown.

Digging for "Dirt"

The ad also quotes the Wall Street Journal as saying that the Obama campaign "air-dropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers to dig dirt on Governor Palin." That's also a distortion. The Wall Street Journal opinion article did not say that the Obama team was there to "dig dirt." It said they were there to "dig into her record and background." Maybe the McCain-Palin campaign knows something we don't about what's in Palin's record and background.

The full quote, from an item by conservative columnist John Fund, dated Sept. 9:

WSJ's John Fund, Sept. 9: Democrats have airdropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers into Anchorage, the state capital Juneau and Mrs. Palin's hometown of Wasilla to dig into her record and background. My sources report the first wave arrived in Anchorage less than 24 hours after John McCain selected her on August 29.

Fund said the opposition researchers were mainly interested in a controversy surrounding Palin's firing of her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan. Monegan has claimed he was dismissed because he wouldn't fire a state trooper who was in a divorce battle with Palin's sister; the Alaska Legislature is investigating whether Palin acted properly. Fund also stated that the Palin family has accused the trooper of "using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson, drinking in his patrol car and illegally shooting a moose.

88 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:30 am

SSC


Admin
Old news again.....Keep trying

89 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:37 am

gypsy


Moderator
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccain-palin_distorts_our_finding.html forgot to put the url..

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Admin
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A few thoughts on the widely played excerpts from the sermons of Barack Obama’s pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago:

1. This is the worst crisis the Obama campaign has faced. It has done deep and perhaps long-term damage by calling into question the judgment and credibility of the junior senator from Illinois. And it badly undermines Obama’s claim that he is a figure who can bind up America’s racial wounds.

2. Senator Obama, whose campaign only last year said that he was “proud of his pastor and his church,” is now saying that he wasn’t aware of the angry, reckless, anti-American, and racially divisive comments by Reverend Wright. But that claim stretches credulity. Reverend Wright, after all, is not a stranger who is offering up a presidential-year endorsement. Wright has instead played a pivotal role in Obama’s life -- including marrying Barack and Michelle Obama, baptizing their two children, and inspiring the title of Obama’s second book, “The Audacity of Hope.”

Senator Obama has been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since the early 1990s. Are we supposed to believe that the kind of venom and vivid hatred that we have all seen on display -- that God should damn rather than bless America, that this country created AIDS in an effort to foster genocide, that we had 9/11 coming to us, that America is the “U.S. of K.K.K.A.” and that Israel is a terrorist state -- is an anomaly for Wright? That the overwhelming majority of his sermons are expositions on the love of Christ and the need to break down the dividing walls between us? That Obama was utterly shocked to see Wright’s words strung together on cable TV? That he has seen a side of Wright in the last week that he never knew existed?

This is a pastor, after all, who traveled to Libya in 1984 to visit Muammar Qadhafi with Louis Farrakhan and presented a lifetime achievement award to Farrakhan only last year, calling the Nation of Islam leader a man of “integrity and honesty” and referring to him as “one of the 20th and 21st century greats of the African-American religious experience.”

The odds are a good deal better than even that Wright’s hatred is on regular or semi-regular display at the pulpit of Trinity United. The question now becomes: What did Senator Obama hear, and when did he hear it?

3. Reverend Wright’s toxic comments may help us better understand the remarks by Michelle Obama that she is proud of America for the first time in her adult life only now that her husband is running for president and that she considers America to be a “outright mean” nation.

If someone admires Reverend Wright as much as Michelle Obama seems to -- and she has spoken very well of him in the past -- then it’s reasonable to assume that they share some common values. People who attend the same church for a quarter century often share key attitudes and outlooks of their minister. That’s not always the case -- but it’s more often the case than not. And it is very rare that people who attend a church for more than 25 years hold views that are fundamentally at odds with their pastor.

It sounds like clashing cymbals to hear Obama’s rhetoric -- at once calm, reasonable, and unifying -- and then to hear the comments of two people who play among the most important roles in his life: his wife and his minister. People are right to wonder: What the heck is going on here? Did Obama embrace Wright and his church in an effort to gain legitimacy during his Chicago years -- and now wants to jettison Wright and his church in an effort to gain legitimacy during his run for the White House?

4. Senator Obama and some of his supporters have made the plea that he not be made “guilty by association.” What people are asking for is not guilt but responsibility by association -- especially an association this long, this deep, this important.

And on the matter of “guilt by association,” here’s a thought experiment. Assume that the spiritual leader and pastor of the church George W. Bush or John McCain attended was, say, a white supremacist or an anti-gay bigot. Do you think that there would be any hesitancy among the press to push the “guilt by association” storyline? I rather doubt it.

I ask because on Thursday CNN’s Anderson Cooper and some of his commentators were visibly unhappy that they were forced to spend valuable time talking about the Wright issue rather than, say, health care or education policy. Anderson and the others clearly viewed it as distasteful and a distraction from a full airing of policy issues. (To Cooper’s credit, by Friday he had changed his tune and was making the case for why the story was relevant.)

5. We actually have an example of how the MSM plays the “guilt by association” card when it comes to certain political and religious figures. In the 2000 campaign George W. Bush spoke once at Bob Jones University; it was an event used to bludgeon Bush with for the rest of the campaign and into his presidency. And, of course, Bush did not attend Bob Jones University, financially support it, or consider Bob Jones to be his spiritual mentor or close friend for 25 years. Yet these things mattered not at all. Bush spoke at Bob Jones University -- and so to many in the press, he was joined at the hip with it. The association between Reverend Wright and Senator Obama is far deeper in every respect.

Until now Barack Obama has run a remarkable campaign and has shown himself to be a man of apparent grace and class, an apostle of hope and unity. But recent events are starting to eat away at the image of Obama. Nothing has done more damage to him, however, than the comments of his pastor Jeremiah Wright. What Obama has said by way of explanation is neither reassuring nor persuasive -- and before this story plays itself out, much more damage to the reputation of Barack Obama may be done.

The words of Jeremiah Wright are acidic -- both in their own right and in what they are doing to the Barack Obama’s presidential campaign. For his next sermon Reverend Wright might consider meditating on the words of James: “the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.” To these words Senator Obama may simply say, Amen.

91 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:00 am

gypsy


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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

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For those who have forgotten or weren't born yet here is a list of a few of the activities. Just think if this were happening today:

7 October 1969 – Bombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago, apparently as a "kickoff" for the "Days of Rage" riots in the city October 8-11, 1969. The Weathermen later claim credit for the bombing in their book, "Prairie Fire."

8 October-11, 1969 – The "Days of Rage" riots occur in Chicago in which 287 Weatherman members from throughout the country were arrested and a large amount of property damage was done.

6 December 1969 – Bombing of several Chicago Police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO stated in their book "Prairie Fire" that they had did the explosion.

27 December-31, 1969 – Weathermen hold a "War Council" meeting in Flint, MI, where they finalize their plans to submerge into an underground status from which they plan to commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called the "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO).

13 February 1970 - Bombing of several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department .

16 February 1970 – Bombing of Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen.

6 March 1970 – Bombing in the 13th Police District of the Detroit, Michigan. 34 sticks of dynamite are discovered. During February and early March, 1970, members of the WUO, led by Bill Ayers, are reported to be in Detroit, during that period, for the purpose of bombing a police facility.

6 March 1970 – "bomb factory" located in New York's Greenwich Village accidentally explodes. WUO members Theodore die in t. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey. The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES UPON DETONATION.

30 March 1970 – Chicago Police discover a WUO "bomb factory" on Chicago’s north side. A subsequent discovery of a WUO "weapons cache" in a south side Chicago apartment several days later ends WUO activity in the city.

10 May 1970 – Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C..

21 May 1970 – The WUO under Bernardine Dohrn's name releases its "Declaration of a State of War" communique.

6 June 1970 – The WUO sends a letter claiming credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice; however, no explosion actually took place. Months later, workmen in this building located an unexploded device which had apparently been dormant for some time.

9 June 1970 - Bombing of The New York City Police Headquarters .

27 July 1970 - Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco. [NYT, 7/27/70]

12 September 1970 – The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary, break out and escape from the California Men's Colony prison.

8 October 1970 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse. [NYT, 8/10/70]

10 October 1970 - Bombing of Queens traffic-court building . [NYT, 10/10/70, p. 12]

14 October 1970 - Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs [NYT, 10/14/70, p. 30]

1 March 1971 - Bombing of The United States Capitol . " [NYT, 3/2/71]

April, 1971 – abandoned WUO "bomb factory" discovered in San Francisco, California.

29 August, 1971 - Bombing of the Office of California Prisons . [LAT, 8/29/71]

17 September 1971 - Bombing of The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, NY [NYT, 9/18/71]

15 October 1971 - Bombing of William Bundy's office in the MIT research center. [NYT, 10/16/71]

19 May 1972 - Bombing of The Pentagon . [NYT, 5/19/72]

18 May 1973 - Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York

28 September 1973 - Bombing of ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy . [NYT, 9/28/73]

6 March 1974 - Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco

31 May 1974 - Bombing of The Office of the California Attorney General.

17 June 1974 - Bombing of Gulf Oil's Pittsburgh headquarters .

11 September 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation).

29 January 1975 - Bombing of the State Department in (AP. "State Department Rattled by Blast," The Daily Times-News, January 29 1975, p.1)

16 June 1975 - Bombing of Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York .

September, 1975 – Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation .

October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.
1981 “Guilty as hel*. Free as a bird. America is a great country,” Ayers said when interviewed by David Horowitz.
September 11, 2001 “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Ayers is quoted in NYT article

www.cnnnews.com

93 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:09 am

gypsy


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http://blueherald.com/2008/10/cnn-fact-check-on-ayersobama-claim-false/

94 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:44 am

gypsy


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SSC wrote:For those who have forgotten or weren't born yet here is a list of a few of the activities. Just think if this were happening today:

7 October 1969 – Bombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago, apparently as a "kickoff" for the "Days of Rage" riots in the city October 8-11, 1969. The Weathermen later claim credit for the bombing in their book, "Prairie Fire."

8 October-11, 1969 – The "Days of Rage" riots occur in Chicago in which 287 Weatherman members from throughout the country were arrested and a large amount of property damage was done.

6 December 1969 – Bombing of several Chicago Police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO stated in their book "Prairie Fire" that they had did the explosion.

27 December-31, 1969 – Weathermen hold a "War Council" meeting in Flint, MI, where they finalize their plans to submerge into an underground status from which they plan to commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called the "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO).

13 February 1970 - Bombing of several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department .

16 February 1970 – Bombing of Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen.

6 March 1970 – Bombing in the 13th Police District of the Detroit, Michigan. 34 sticks of dynamite are discovered. During February and early March, 1970, members of the WUO, led by Bill Ayers, are reported to be in Detroit, during that period, for the purpose of bombing a police facility.

6 March 1970 – "bomb factory" located in New York's Greenwich Village accidentally explodes. WUO members Theodore die in t. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey. The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES UPON DETONATION.

30 March 1970 – Chicago Police discover a WUO "bomb factory" on Chicago’s north side. A subsequent discovery of a WUO "weapons cache" in a south side Chicago apartment several days later ends WUO activity in the city.

10 May 1970 – Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C..

21 May 1970 – The WUO under Bernardine Dohrn's name releases its "Declaration of a State of War" communique.

6 June 1970 – The WUO sends a letter claiming credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice; however, no explosion actually took place. Months later, workmen in this building located an unexploded device which had apparently been dormant for some time.

9 June 1970 - Bombing of The New York City Police Headquarters .

27 July 1970 - Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco. [NYT, 7/27/70]

12 September 1970 – The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary, break out and escape from the California Men's Colony prison.

8 October 1970 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse. [NYT, 8/10/70]

10 October 1970 - Bombing of Queens traffic-court building . [NYT, 10/10/70, p. 12]

14 October 1970 - Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs [NYT, 10/14/70, p. 30]

1 March 1971 - Bombing of The United States Capitol . " [NYT, 3/2/71]

April, 1971 – abandoned WUO "bomb factory" discovered in San Francisco, California.

29 August, 1971 - Bombing of the Office of California Prisons . [LAT, 8/29/71]

17 September 1971 - Bombing of The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, NY [NYT, 9/18/71]

15 October 1971 - Bombing of William Bundy's office in the MIT research center. [NYT, 10/16/71]

19 May 1972 - Bombing of The Pentagon . [NYT, 5/19/72]

18 May 1973 - Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York

28 September 1973 - Bombing of ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy . [NYT, 9/28/73]

6 March 1974 - Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco

31 May 1974 - Bombing of The Office of the California Attorney General.

17 June 1974 - Bombing of Gulf Oil's Pittsburgh headquarters .

11 September 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation).

29 January 1975 - Bombing of the State Department in (AP. "State Department Rattled by Blast," The Daily Times-News, January 29 1975, p.1)

16 June 1975 - Bombing of Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York .

September, 1975 – Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation .

October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.
1981 “Guilty as hel*. Free as a bird. America is a great country,” Ayers said when interviewed by David Horowitz.
September 11, 2001 “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Ayers is quoted in NYT article

www.cnnnews.com

I don't see the connection??

95 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:10 am

gypsy


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http://fightthesmears.com/articles/22/ayerssmear?source=sem-pm-fts-ay-search-us&gclid=CNGDssnHlJYCFRsRagodfh9OEQ

96 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:16 am

runawayhorses


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Gypsy, a little advice for you, don't just post a link without some sort of explanation as to where it takes people to and why they should click it, and what to expect, when your post only has a link in it and nothing else, and you don't explain anything with no rhyme or reason, not one word as to what it is, most people (including myself) never click it. It also looks like you're presuming everyone is just dying to click the links you post, well I got news for you, I rarely click links without knowing where its going to take me, its not smart to do so, for security reasons if nothing else. I counted 5 times you did that in this topic alone.

Please post some sort of explanation as to where the link takes people to.

Also, don't make a NEW post just to add the link to a previous copy and pasted post you made earlier, but rather 'INCLUDE IT' in the post you copied and pasted.

Thanks

97 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:38 am

gypsy


Moderator
we are on the same topic.. so I should explain where it takes them, I guess that means all of us?
if they don't want to click on it, that is their choice I think.. I had forgot to put the link in so included it in next post~~ so a new rule?

98 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:08 pm

runawayhorses


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gypsy wrote:we are on the same topic.. so I should explain where it takes them, I guess that means all of us?
if they don't want to click on it, that is their choice I think.. I had forgot to put the link in so included it in next post~~ so a new rule?
Like I said, you posted just the links in 5 posts in this topic with nothing else added, everyone else here includes the link at the bottom of their written or copied text to show where they got it from and for further referrals, you are just posting links with no explanation or written text. When you make a new post just to include the link to a post you already made it produces the same effect as just posting a link with no explanation.

My notice only applies to you becuase you are the only one that is repeatedly doing that over and over again. Yes, consider that a rule that only applies to you right now becuase you are the one that needs to be informed for the reasons I mentioned above.

99 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:22 pm

gypsy


Moderator
runawayhorses wrote:
gypsy wrote:we are on the same topic.. so I should explain where it takes them, I guess that means all of us?
if they don't want to click on it, that is their choice I think.. I had forgot to put the link in so included it in next post~~ so a new rule?
Like I said, you posted just the links in 5 posts in this topic with nothing else added, everyone else here includes the link at the bottom of their written or copied text to show where they got it from and for further referrals, you are just posting links with no explanation or written text. When you make a new post just to include the link to a post you already made it produces the same effect as just posting a link with no explanation.

My notice only applies to you becuase you are the only one that is repeatedly doing that over and over again. Yes, consider that a rule that only applies to you right now becuase you are the one that needs to be informed for the reasons I mentioned above.

ahh yes i see clearly now Tyler, thanks..

100 Re: women against Sarah Palin on Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:32 pm

gypsy


Moderator
yes i guess new rules are good, but i think my links blew the roof off the rumors/links posted on this subject,
Heaven forbid!! I am the only rule breaker lol!

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