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rosco 357


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Ukraine offers satellite defence co-operation with Europe and US
Ukraine inflamed mounting East-West tensions yesterday by offering up a Soviet-built satellite facility as part of the European missile defence system.

By Damien McElroy in Tbilisi
Last Updated: 11:24AM BST 17 Aug 2008

The proposal, made amid growing outrage among Russia's neighbours over its military campaign in Georgia, could see Ukraine added to Moscow's nuclear hitlist. A Russian general declared Poland a target for its arsenal after Warsaw signed a deal with Washington to host interceptor missiles for America's anti-nuclear shield.

The move came as the Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, signed a cease-fire deal that sets the stage for a Russian troop withdrawal after more than a week of warfare with its neighbour Georgia.

The deal calls for both Russian and Georgian forces to pull back to positions they held before fighting erupted on August 8. As of last night, though, there was little apparent evidence of a Russian pull-out from the Georgian town of Gori, which Russian tanks and troops took last weekend. Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, insisted a broader withdrawal would be contingent on further security measures.

Just hours before Mr Medvedev put his signature to the ceasefire deal, Russian forces blew up a Georgian railway bridge on the main line west of the capital, Tbilisi, an act that critics interpreted as a malacious attempt to cripple the country's infrastructure. Moscow at first issued a denial, but television footage shot by the Reuters news agency clearly showed the bridge's twisted remains.

Ukraine said it was ready to give both Europe and America access to its missile warning systems after Russia earlier annulled a 1992 cooperation agreement involving two satellite tracking stations. Previously, the stations were part of Russia's early-warning system for missiles coming from Europe.

"The fact that Ukraine is no longer a party to the 1992 agreement allows it to launch active cooperation with European countries to integrate its information," a statement from the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said.

It follows a declaration earlier this week from Ukraine's pro-Western president, Viktor Yushchenko, that the Russian naval lease of the Ukrainian Black Sea port of Sebastopol would be scrapped if any vessels joined the conflict in Georgia.

The crisis over Russia's display of military might in Georgia has alarmed ex-Soviet satellites states in a broad arc from the Baltics to Central Asia. Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania, all of which harbour bitter memories of Soviet occupation, have expressed solidarity with the Georgian position.

Yesterday President George W. Bush hailed what he saw as progress in resolving the Georgia crisis, describing the ceasefire agreement as "a hopeful step."

He reiterated, though, that the disputed regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia remained part of Georgia, despite Moscow's insistence that they should now be allowed to become part of Russia. "There's no room for debate on this matter," said Mr Bush. "The international community is clear that South Ossetia and Abkhazia are part of Georgia and the US fully recognises this reality."

Meanwhile, disturbing reports of abuse of ethnic Georgians in captured parts of the disputed region emerged. A group of captive soldiers were paraded in the streets of the South Ossetian capital, Tskinvali, and the bodies of at least 40 dead troops rotted in the sun.

Teams of ethnic Georgians, some under armed guard, were forced to clean the streets. It was the first apparent evidence of humiliation or abuse of Georgians in the Russian-controlled breakaway republic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/2570285/Ukraine-offers-satellite-defence-co-operation-with-Europe-and-US.html

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All of this sounds unhealthy and it seems the Cold War is back from being away.
This sounds more serious than any dispute with some insignificant Muslim country.

SSC


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Mays Gilliam wrote:All of this sounds unhealthy and it seems the Cold War is back from being away.
This sounds more serious than any dispute with some insignificant Muslim country.

If you consider the attacks on the US as being done by an insignificant Muslim country not something to retaliate , then you Sir do not have a clue.

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A confrontation with Russia will make look any other opponent look insignificant; you can be sure of that.

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Russia is the worlds biggest bully, but they are not stupid, a little intimidation , but to risk having sanctions placed against them, cutting off food supplies they desperately need , falling from grace in the eyes of every country. I don't see them pushing much more.

rosco 357


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this thing with russia probably will be worked out, its to large to not be worked out, its posturing in my opinion, no one will destroy the whole world, which would be the outcome, but this is not just america, these countries see russia, and what they do and these countries want into nato, this is just as much a european thing with nato, i think europe is in lockstep with the united states on this , nato votes so we will see,

rosco 357


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Mays Gilliam wrote:A confrontation with Russia will make look any other opponent look insignificant; you can be sure of that.

well it would not be pretty, it would have to be nuclear which is not going to happen,the cold war never went nuclear because russia is not stupid, i dont see russia as strong as it is being a match for nato, in conventional warfare, russia could not even handle afganistan, in conventional , weapons unless they were holding back which they could have been, but this should show ppl like obama that want to downsize our military as a warning, after the first gulf war, the 7th corp that was on the left that took on or ran over iraqs republican guard the 7th corp. was dismantled, i do believe, .so not sure how many asssets we have in germany at this time, but we downsize and lean on technology to make up the difference.. if obama is elected, which the polls show is tied at 44 percent now, if the american ppl see our military going down in strenght and not going forth with technology being developed, he will be a one term president,,but macCain has caught him , but look for obama to get a bump from the dems convention, and visa versa,

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